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  • Got Chilled Water ?

    One thing I've always wanted on my XS11 was chilled water. Many times I rode thirsty for miles because there was no convient place to stop. In the old days I carried a canteen but now 90 degree water just doesn't have the same appeal. Hmmm - Did it ever ? I can't remember. Anyway 5 weeks ago I was up for a challenging project and decided to take this problem on.

    The design parameters were simple.

    1 Must be able to drink with a full face helmet while underway.
    2 Delivery tube must retract.
    3 Must not consume more than 4 amps.
    4 Must have good capacity.
    5 Must have pump fed delivery.

    After much experimentation here's how I got there. I eased into the project with something simple to start, the reservoir. This consist of a Cammelback 70 oz. replacement reservoir. I made an insulated cover for it from an old wet-suit top and then a vinyl bag to slip it into to protect the insulation from chafe inside the fairing. Next down the line after a short length of tubing is a restrictor to match the pump output with a comfortable drinking pace. It's simply a brass fitting made from round stock and drilled out to 11/64". After that comes a short length of tubing and then a quick disconnect. This disconnect has valves built into both parts to prevent water leakage when disconnected. All the plumbing was done with food safe 5/16" ID vinyl tubing and insulated with 3/8" thick non-slit Buna-N/PVC elastomeric foam rubber 1/2" ID. The pump comes next. I was able to get a nice unit from West Marine as a replacement part for an electric sink kit. The fittings where sized for the tubing I'm using and it was a sturdy compact unit that runs on 12v. I wrapped the pump with pipe insulation to protect it and keep it from rattling in the fairing. Output from the pump goes into the chiller. This was the most challenging part of the project. To get decent performance the heatsink, thermo-electric module and insulation had to work together. There were a number of revisions until the final design. I initially tried to run without vents in the fairing but heat build up killed the efficiency of the chiller. After adding a fan and two vents things were back on track. The main body of the chiller is 1 1/2" x 10" copper pipe. This goes through aluminum round stock where an adaptor plate and the thermo-electric module are mounted. A 1 1/2" brass plug in the end has taps for IN, OUT, and TEMPERATURE PROBE. A dash mounted indoor-outdoor thermometer keeps track of water temp. The chiller has about an inch of insulation all around and it too is covered in vinyl with a drawstring closure on the hook-up end. From the chiller flow goes to the reel. Although not technically difficult this part was time consuming. The retract spring for the reel came from a seat belt retract mechanism. The hose and bite valve came with the Cammelback reservoir and were relocated on the reel. Most of the reel parts are 3/32" aluminum. A few custom brass fittings had to be made as I couldn't find anything off the shelf to work directly. The system in operation consumes just under 4 amps. To keep power demands within reason when the 1.2A pump is activated (by handlebar button) a relay shuts down the chiller until drinking is done. The chiller holds around 8 oz. of water. On an average summer day - 88º, water temp inside the chiller will drop 20º in a half hour and 30º in about an hour. On the day I tested the system (88º) the chiller temp bottomed out at 41º after 75 min., 47º below ambient temperature. By contrast the first design I tested (without fairing vents and fan) was lucky to get down to 58 degrees. I've been out on the road with it about a week now and it's been great. I don't usually run the system around town but I'm spoiled now and wouldn't want to be without it on those 5 - 9 hr. rides.

    Now I know some are going to say, "Man thats complicated why didn't the idiot just use ice! ". All I can say is where's the sport in that :-). This project for me although frustrating at times was a lot of fun. One thing I have to remind myself when problems crop up is, the project is only a failure when you give up on it. I hope you've enjoyed reading this and it starts the creative juices flowing for your own projects.

    -Mike







    Last edited by XMRGWX; 09-08-2007, 02:16 PM.
    Long Live the XS1100

    78 XS1100E
    85 VMax

  • #2
    wow..........

    I am speechless....that may be as close to rocket science as I've ever seen!

    The inventive spirit of the motorcyclist is unending and a thing of awe.

    Cool....
    Guy

    '78E

    Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur

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    • #3
      I agree. Very cool!
      '81 XS1100 SH

      Melted to the ground during The Valley Fire

      Sep. 12th 2015

      RIP

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      • #4
        That's pretty damn inventive!! I smell a new tech tip!


        Very nice indeed. Great work!!
        80 XS1100SG
        81 XS400SH

        Some men miss opportunity because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. - Thomas Edison

        A Few Animations I've Made

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        • #5
          Hey, XMR....> your above "contribution" is a class posting. In my opinion. By the way, I had a VMax new, in '88.
          JCarltonRiggs

          81XS1100SH; WorkingMotorcycle,Not For Show,DeletedFairing,SportsterHL,
          7½ gal. Kaw Concours gastank,1972 Wixom Bros. bags

          79XS1100F; ?Parts?, or to Restore?

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          • #6
            Very good post and graphics.


            mro

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            • #7
              Wow, that is cool. I applaude your ingenuity. Way to think things out.

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              • #8
                very cool idea, now start selling them. For me I perfer to stop for something to drink and get some feeling back into my butt. LOL

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                • #9
                  Nice work. I actually have my own Camelback, but I'd rather just keep it as a backpack, only issue is the full helmet. Can I get some details on what you did with that?
                  1981 XS1100S (former)
                  2006 Suzuki Katana 600 "BLKMGE"

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                  • #10
                    Thanks for the feedback everyone.
                    Long Live the XS1100

                    78 XS1100E
                    85 VMax

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BlkMage
                      Nice work. I actually have my own Camelback, but I'd rather just keep it as a backpack, only issue is the full helmet. Can I get some details on what you did with that?
                      I use the delivery tube/bite valve just as it came from Camelbak, my helmet may have more clearance in front than yours. I did notice they made a 90º angle adaptor which may help your situation.

                      http://www.performancebike.com/shop/...tegory_ID=4343

                      - Mike
                      Long Live the XS1100

                      78 XS1100E
                      85 VMax

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                      • #12
                        Sometimes you need to do it if only to demonstrate it can be done. Nice job! Where did you get the Peltier junction/thermoelectric device? Did you take it out of an insulated cooler or get it surplus?
                        2010 Kawasaki Z1000
                        1979 SF: Millennium Falcon, until this Saturday

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by tommystinson
                          Sometimes you need to do it if only to demonstrate it can be done. Nice job! Where did you get the Peltier junction/thermoelectric device? Did you take it out of an insulated cooler or get it surplus?
                          I bought this junction new. It's a 50mm x 50mm unit. This is a 12711-9L31-04CZ from Custom Thermoelectric. The first one I experimented with was surplus, but I wasn't crazy about it's performance.

                          http://customthermoelectric.com/tecs...FQMYFQod2hocDg

                          -Mike
                          Long Live the XS1100

                          78 XS1100E
                          85 VMax

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                          • #14
                            Very cool (no pun intended). Now, start working on a water cooled vest/jacket for summer riding.
                            When a 10 isn't enough, get a 11. 80g Hardbagger

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by webbcraft2150
                              Very cool (no pun intended). Now, start working on a water cooled vest/jacket for summer riding.
                              You joke, but I had actually given that some thought. The suit would be the easy part. Hacking the XS's alternator to put out 30 - 40 amps would be the real challenge.

                              -Mike
                              Long Live the XS1100

                              78 XS1100E
                              85 VMax

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