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  • UncleSpot
    XStremely XSive
    • Jun 2004
    • 383
    • Home: Stockton, California Shop: Lodi, California

    #1

    new speedo unit installation...

    I can't find my shop manual(s) and I've got another speedometer unit that I got for my front wheel...

    ...since I'm right in the middle of a divorce/living-arrangement-move my shop manuals are no where to be found...
    so, my question is:
    when pulling the old speedo unit off, installing a "new" one how do you "tighten" the axle?
    It's a "basic" question, but I need to know if there are *ANY* idiosyncrasies about WHAT gets tightened FIRST...
    Do I tighten the axle nut until the axle is all the way against the "stops" THEN tighten the axle cinch bolt/nut?...
    ...OR tighten the cinch nut FIRST - THEN the axle nut?...
    what's it say in the book?

    I'm asking because my XS11 is 80 miles away in a friend's garage; I parked it there and flew to New Mexico for a vacation... now, I'm taking a shuttle to get the bike and ride it back - and I want to put the new speedo unit on BEFORE I ride (I tend to ride WAY too fast and I don't need a speeding ticket...)
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    Ron Veil
    <Ron_Veil@yahoo.com>

    1980 XS1100SG
  • Snow
    XS-XJ Guru
    • Oct 2002
    • 1041
    • Tallahassee, FL

    #2
    Pinch bolt/nut, then castle nut.
    1979 XS11F Standard - Maya - 1196cc (out of order)
    1978 XS11E Standard - Nina - 1101cc
    http://www.livejournal.com/~xs11

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    • DiverRay
      Moderator
      • Nov 2004
      • 7588
      • Star, IDAHO

      #3
      WRONG!!! Tighten the AXLE NUT FIRST, and then the pinch bolts.
      Ray Matteis
      KE6NHG
      XS1100 E '78 (winter project)
      XS1100 SF Bob Jones worked on it!

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      • Snow
        XS-XJ Guru
        • Oct 2002
        • 1041
        • Tallahassee, FL

        #4
        You sure about that Ray? T.C. also stated on his tire change tutorial to tighten the pinch bolt after centered the wheel, and then tighten the Axle nut, if I'm not mistaken:
        1979 XS11F Standard - Maya - 1196cc (out of order)
        1978 XS11E Standard - Nina - 1101cc
        http://www.livejournal.com/~xs11

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        • Snow
          XS-XJ Guru
          • Oct 2002
          • 1041
          • Tallahassee, FL

          #5
          After a bit of research, it does appear that the axle castle nut gets installed first... hey TC, fix your tech tip!
          1979 XS11F Standard - Maya - 1196cc (out of order)
          1978 XS11E Standard - Nina - 1101cc
          http://www.livejournal.com/~xs11

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          • planedick
            XS-XJ Guru
            • Mar 2005
            • 2068
            • Yorba Linda, California

            #6
            Castle nut

            gets tightened first, then center the brake caliper before tightening the pinch bolts.

            Snow is right.
            You can't stay young forever, but you can be immature for the rest of your life...

            '78E "Pathfinder" Show bike...
            Lovingly restored by Dave Delzell
            Drilled airbox
            Tkat fork brace
            Hardly mufflers
            late model carbs
            Newer style fuses
            Oil pressure guage
            Custom security system
            Stainless braid brake lines

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            • UncleSpot
              XStremely XSive
              • Jun 2004
              • 383
              • Home: Stockton, California Shop: Lodi, California

              #7
              I miss my "baby" so I'll probably be making the trip tonight or tomorrow at the latest... I'll let you know which way works "best". ...it's such a "basic" question I wasn't even thinking about "how to do it right"...

              thanks guys - I'm gonna do some ridin'
              __________________
              Ron Veil
              <Ron_Veil@yahoo.com>

              1980 XS1100SG

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              • John
                XS-XJ Super Guru
                • Oct 2003
                • 5117

                #8
                The axle nut gets tightened first. You have to manually pull/pry the right fork tube out to align the brake rotor in the slot in the fork tube where the caliper resides. Once that is done, then tighten the pinch bolt.
                Here is the procedure as written in my Clymer manual.

                There are instructions in the Clymers manual. In my book it's in chapter 8, page 194, paragraph #6. It says:
                "On Special models, tighten the axle nut to 76 ft.lbs (103 N*m) and install new cotter pin. Move the front forks up and down several times. Move the right hand fork sideways until the left hand disc (that must be a typo, it should read right hand disc) is centered within the caliper assembly. (Figure 13), Tighten the axle pinch bolt to 14.5 ft.-lbs.(20N*m)"


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                Last edited by John; 05-07-2007, 03:19 PM.

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                • HobbyMan
                  MeatHead Idiot "GURU"
                  • Jul 2006
                  • 1801
                  • Colleyville, TX

                  #9
                  tighten the front pinch bolt first then the aft one second.
                  United States Merchant Marine Academy, Kings Point, NY
                  If I can do it at 18 yrs old, anyone can
                  "You know something, You can't polish a turd"
                  "What are you rebelling against", "Well, what do you got?"
                  Acta Non Verba

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                  • John
                    XS-XJ Super Guru
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 5117

                    #10
                    Andrew

                    Originally posted by HobbyMan
                    tighten the front pinch bolt first then the aft one second.
                    The Special only has one pinch bolt. It's not like the Standard that uses a cap to secure the axle to the forks like your bike does. Go look at your Special, and you will see what I'm talking about.

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                    • HobbyMan
                      MeatHead Idiot "GURU"
                      • Jul 2006
                      • 1801
                      • Colleyville, TX

                      #11
                      sorry didn't see that it was a special. I rember
                      United States Merchant Marine Academy, Kings Point, NY
                      If I can do it at 18 yrs old, anyone can
                      "You know something, You can't polish a turd"
                      "What are you rebelling against", "Well, what do you got?"
                      Acta Non Verba

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                      • UncleSpot
                        XStremely XSive
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 383
                        • Home: Stockton, California Shop: Lodi, California

                        #12
                        thanks John
                        I owe ya one
                        __________________
                        Ron Veil
                        <Ron_Veil@yahoo.com>

                        1980 XS1100SG

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                        • Snow
                          XS-XJ Guru
                          • Oct 2002
                          • 1041
                          • Tallahassee, FL

                          #13
                          While doing the above mentioned research, one page finally gave a solid, logical reason for the tightening order - the page stated that the pinch bolt is there soley to keep the axle on should the axle castle nut come off...can anyone confirm this?

                          *edit*
                          I find it a lot easier to remember how to do things if I know *why* they have to be done, especially assembly order.
                          Last edited by Snow; 05-08-2007, 11:25 AM.
                          1979 XS11F Standard - Maya - 1196cc (out of order)
                          1978 XS11E Standard - Nina - 1101cc
                          http://www.livejournal.com/~xs11

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                          • skids
                            XS-XJ Super Guru
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 5043
                            • Florissant, CO, USA

                            #14
                            I think the caliper gets centered over the disk and the pinch holds it in place...I can't remember for sure.

                            Originally posted by Snow
                            the page stated that the pinch bolt is there soley to keep the axle on should the axle castle nut come off...can anyone confirm this?
                            Skids (Sid Hansen)

                            Down to one 1978 E. Stock air box with K&N filter, 81H pipes and carbs, 8500 feet elevation.

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