I get the idiot of the year award

[randy]

Yes,

I am an idiot. Quite possibly the idiot of the year (2004).

Three years ago I followed my Clymer's and set my pivot shafts to 72 ft/lbs.

Now i've got one pivot shaft cross-threaded and I'm preparing to drill it out. Anyone know the thread size of the shaft? So I can go buy the tap!

Before you ask, i've already got new bearings, races and seals. Time to order an new pivot shaft, too!

[HobbyMan]

Whoa.. Hold the phone! is the clymers wrong? I just finsihed reinstalling my swingarm according to clymers. I did not use a torque wrench so it is about 40ft lbs. WHat is the actuall torque supposed to be?

[80mdnt11]

Ft. Lbs. VS Inch Lbs

Here Ya Go................. http://www.xs11.com/forum/showthread...threadid=10496

http://www.xs11.com/forum/showthread...threadid=11307

[79XS11F]

OK are you talking about the bearing pins themselfs or the pin position LOCK nuts? I am not at home now so I don't have access to my factory manual but as a rule tapered bearings are only torqued enough to seat them. The number is likely low. However given the size of the pins, lock nuts and importance of the pins not backing out the lock nut toque may in fact be a large number. I will check my factory manual tomorrow and post what it says.
Rob

[80mdnt11]

Rob, Yes your'e pin/ I.E.---Pivot should only be 43-52 INCH Lbs. Lock nut @ 72 FT. Lbs.! As most will not even set torque on the pivot, Adj. side/side measurements, snug & lock down the nut.
#5 on pic being the pivot bolt, sorry don't know the size & thread?http://houseofmotorcycles.bikebandit...me~XS1100F.asp
Don't know why prev. post went W I D E!!??! Sorry
W I D E post all fixed.
John

[trbig]

YOU with idiot of the year?? Not quite! lol. I recently had a bad popping and backfiring. I figured it was due to a really bad over-rev I had (Was almost redline in third when it clicked into second??) Anyway.. figured a bent valve. I tore the head off and checked the valves. All seemed OK, but a couple did seep just a bit, so I re-lapped them. When messing with it... I found that #3 and 4 carb holders were quite loose... hence my lean popping and backfiring... Oh well. Back together I go.. Try to synch the carbs, but it's running like CRAP. So I think dirty carbs... Back off the bike they come and tore apart and cleaned. I bench synch them... put them back on and.... STILL runs like crap! Next I pull off the side cover over the points and check everything out there... seems OK. I now sit back with a beer (Always helps me think) and think of what it can be... then the light goes on in my head. I know most of you probably have it figured out by now... but the #3 spark plug electrode had gotten mashed down against the tip on installation. A new plug and it purrs like a kitten!

Do I at least get runner up for the title? I have to keep up with my name ya know! lol..

Tod

[80mdnt11]

Competition

Ok, Guess I am in the runnin' to Randy! Apparently unable to post this particular page? Will try this one as last attempt..........Then will be waiting for award to arrive in the snail mail...lol
http://www.starmotorcycles.com/star/parts/home.aspx

[mason79]

you see i just got done with that thing myself but questioned the high numbers in the book, they don't operate too different than the steering bearings and those need to be finesed.

i hope you didn't kill the bearings and the preload must have been rediculous, just how did it handle?

don't fret, we all over do our bikes, target fixation?

[HobbyMan]

did the clymers err by saying ft lbs in stead of in lbs, or can I just not read?

[80mdnt11]

Errors!

Clymers did a decent job on the this manual, but as in all publications there will be typo's and such.TC had posted thread on this awhile back. Maybe need to think about making it a sticky? Are you listening TC? Just a thought.
And thanks John...............

[79XS11F]

OK .. My factory manual says:
When adjusting the swing arm gap loosen the pin on the larger gap side and tighten the opposite side pin to 43 - 52 INCH POUNDS
Repeat as above as necessary until gap on both sides is the same.
Tighten LOCK NUTS to 73 FOOT POUNDS

Rob

[randy]

OK, Rob, now look in the 'torque specifications' tables, what's it say?

[79XS11F]

All I can find at the end of the manual in the list of torque values is an entry that says "pivot shaft" and the torque listed is in deed 72.3 FT. Lbs. If "pivot shaft" is what they call the swing arm pins then there is for sure a type O here even in the factory manual.
There's no way tapered bearings are going to like that much torque and I would adhere to the values listed descriptive section of the manual. Looks like someone forgot the words lock nut.
Rob

[randy]

Good news. The threads in the frame are A-OK. Seems the binding of the pivot shaft was caused by rust in the threads. Everything cleaned up nicely. Of course the shaft was destroyed in the procees of removal, but John saved the day with a replacement! Thanks, John

[John]

Glad I could help, Randy.