crap! it fell in

[pac00t]

Ok, this really sucks. But basically through the course of ill fated events my master link fell into the engine when I was trying to change the cam chain.

It fell straight down onto the crank gear. I ran and got a magnet tool from a friend, and was able to fish out the link part from under the gear, but I havn't been able find the side part of the link. I fished down there forever and I'm quite sure it's not in the cam chain cavity. I drained the oil and fished around in the pan through the drain spout. I reeeallly don't want to split the engine apart.

Anyone who has taken the engine apart know where that little side clip would end up if it fell into the chain cavity. I can't see, but I'm assuming there's a oil drainage opening below the crank gear.

Thanks

[trbig]

Did you pull the filter and check in there? it would also give you more access to scrounge around with the magnet.

Tod

[Pat Kelly]

You can also remove the oil pan. Easier than splitting the cases.

[Ken Talbot]

Ah, you should have read this thread before you got going. Even now, there's a few suggestions that might help.

For additional reading, and a bit of humor, check this thread

Good luck!

[pac00t]

thanks guys for the replies, I'll keep looking forward... and... how easy is it to bend the valves

ok, I took the tensioner out, then forgot about that, I went to turn the engine with a wrench and the chain slipped. I kept turning until I felt it hit against something. I didn't force it past this. But I found if I pushed the tensioner in and turned the engine backwards, it would then let me go forwards aways... yeah I know, super dumb. Are those valves real easy to bend?

[Crazcnuk]

Very.


I am redoing the top end of mine after bending several.

[trbig]

VERY VERY easy!

I turned my motor around using the timing plate bolt and a wrench. I never felt a THING when I bent half of mine! I would hate to say it, but it may be too late. Since you are at this point, you can take the 10 bolts off and take off your head... pour gas into each port and see if it leaks past the valves.
I hope you stopped in time, but it would be better to check them now, then after you put it all back together.

Tod

[pac00t]

wow, yeah they really bend easy! after reading some of this I thought I better check. The cams are out so all the valves are closed. I put my finger in each spark plug hole and turned the crank. 3 cylinders sucked and blew well, and one nothing... ah well... Time to look her over Man, at least I didn't get it all back together only to hit the starter that first time to hear CLANK CLANK CLANK

[trbig]

So what that tells me... is that since all the valves SHOULD have been closed... is that at least 3 valves are bent! The one that you got nothing from... may be the only one that's OK. I hate to say it, but you can buy a used head (And lots of times a whole motor) cheaper than you can replace several valves for.

Tod

[prometheus578]

Trbig... you must have misread.

3 cylinders sucked and blew well, and one nothing...

With all valves closed, the only air inlet/outlet is the plug hole. Three cylinders sucked AND blew, so they're good. The one that didn't has the bent valve.
Doesn't matter, need's to pull the head now anyway.

[chevy45412001]

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i have to agree with one good three bad, if the valves are not opening and closing you should NOT be feeling anything. if you are feeling puff and blow it would mean the valve is NOT sealing hence BENT. Just my two cents

[mro]

originally posted by pac00t
The cams are out so all the valves are closed.

Hey chevy, miss that part???


mro

[trbig]

Can I change my answer?? lol.

Pac... let us know what you find.

Tod

[prometheus578]

With the valves closed (Due to no cam installed) whatever air is trapped in the cylinder will compress. And on the downstroke, the vacuum will suck air passed your finger in the plug hole. (Or you will at least feel it givin' a good try)
The one where you feel nothing will either be sucking, or passing wind out the defective valve. (How often have we all experienced that!)

[chevy45412001]

i'm so cunfused

let me get this straight. First of all Yes i saw the cams were out. So, all the valves are Closed! Got ya. Now plug holes ARE the only opening to air. Then turn motor over.. OK then aren't the valves the only thing standing in the way of holding the compression or sucktion from going into the heads? (remember they are supposed to be ALL closed) So wouldn't it stand to reason that , if you are feeling ANY thing with finger in plug hole ,that the cylnder you are feeling that is not sealing? I must not be understanding.(by the way air would most likley XScape past rings before having enough power to open a valve. ????)