bad to worse

[GNEPIG]

(I thought I was the only boob who ever did that!

.. nope, me too, cept i got lucky and found it on that ledge that TC was talkin about.

[SiP]

New cam chain on the way with gasket set, gonna search for washer at the weekend (when annoying stuff like work isn't getting in the way of me working on my bike), will order carb stuff from MikesXS and get my head back from the machinists tomorrow all clean and heli'd.
Must be time for something bad to happen ???!!!!

[fredintoon]

Dropping things

Heard this tale just recently.
Fella was replacing the camchain on his recently bought hi-mileage machine and the joining link sideplate fell down inside.
Takes off the sump plate and feels around in there in hopes of getting lucky & finding the fallen link. Oh joy! He can feel it! Eases it out of there and notices it's all oil-blackened & beat up looking.
Oh Lord, that's not mine! Gets another beat up one out before he finds his own shiny new sideplate.
Then there's the story from the 50's of the lad who, with the aid of five friends and a box of beer, turned his AJS 7R upside down & shook it to get a dropped fastener out of the crankcase.
So don't be ashamed, you ain't the first one to drop something and I doubt you'll be the last.
Fred Hill, S'toon.

[SiP]

That's funny - made me laugh thanks.

[81xsproject]

Well, I guess I will add myself to this list, hang my head in shame, and then go out and start the process of removing my oil sump pan (bearing cap nut-no stuffed rag-stupid stupid stupid).

[Ken Talbot]

Ah, but you see now, the trick is to strip the motor down far enough that you can lug it into your basement where it is warm. Throw it up on a workbench with all the various covers off and it doesn't matter what you drop down where:




Wiseco kit is in, head has been prepared with 3 angle grind seats, it's all shimmed to perfection, new camchain was installed where I could pound comfortably at the new master link, etc, etc.

Just trying to think out whether to install all the freshly powdercoated covers before painting the rest of the block satin black, or to mask and paint then install the covers. Hmmmm....

[motoman]

Mask, paint, then install..........just my nickels worth........

[Pat Kelly]

Put the covers inside large plastic bags then install (inside the bags) onto the engine. This protects the covers from overspray and keeps overspray out of the inside of the engine.

[81xsproject]

That is such a great idea, Pat. When I painted mine, I happened to have extra junk covers and painted with those on.

[audijunky]

I was on the same track(kinda) I taped the mounting surface of the covers leaving it hanging out, put covers on, flattened hanging tape to covers fished taping a covering covers with news paper. then painted away. when dry remove covers and tape and wahlah.
Oh yeah add me to the dumba-- forgot the rag list. I lost the cam cap nut. I tried everything you could think of with no luck. Motor up side down, magnetic stick, shaking the s out of the engine. Then one day I thought it had to of fallen out and starting looking around the cardboard the motor was on and found it in one of the seams in the cardboard. I will never no how long that lil bastard was there right under my feet.

[kta]

Re: Dropping things

Originally posted by fredintoon
Then there's the story from the 50's of the lad who, with the aid of five friends and a box of beer, turned his AJS 7R upside down & shook it to get a dropped fastener out of the crankcase.

I did this myself with a KZ750 a few weeks ago. Flipped it upside down, shook a bit, flipped it back onto the wheels, rotated the engine a little, flipped again and heard a 'ping'. The lost bolt fell into the bottom side of a piston and I just pulled it out.

This certainly isn't the easiest way to do it, but it does work. You'll need to pull the cylinders off though (5 minutes).

[JWSanders]

Re: Re: Dropping things

Originally posted by kta


This certainly isn't the easiest way to do it, but it does work. You'll need to pull the cylinders off though (5 minutes).

If you can pull a set of XS11 cylinders off in 5 minutes you are da man!! That is, if it's sat for any length of time. I hoisted my bike up by the jugs and still couldnt get them to break free. Have heard horror stories about getting them off on ths site.

Ended up taking me and a friend prying on them as hard as we could to get them to pull out.

I hope it doesn't come to that!

[trbig]

Ken,

I noticed you used copious amounts of Molly Lube (Or similar).... even on your cam chain. I always wondered how much that would change things... or even if it would. Do you think the bearing caps will squeeze ALL the excess out if it is over-used? (Not saying you did) I also wondered about oiling the valve shims before installing them in the buckets. After the motor runs and the cam lobes squeezes it all out, is it changing the valve clearance just a touch?

I always put a thin coat, but have wondered if it's possible to over-apply.

Tod

[Ken Talbot]

Tod, I'm using Lubriplate No 105 motor assembly grease. It is a white grease that is meant "especially for motor rebuilding and other automotive applications". Being white, it is easy to see where I've put it or missed, and it is pretty clean. It is meant to provide initial lubrication during initial start-up of a motor before oil has circulated. I used it on the chain, the valve stems, the shim buckets, the valve stem seals, cyulinders, pistons, rings, wrist pins, etc, etc, etc, basically anything I touched inside the motor.

I had the cams on and off quite a few times while setting the shims. Each time, it appears that my generous coating was well squeezed out from the bearing caps and the top of the shims. I only put a little dab on top of the shim bucket for the very reason you mention, just in case it got trapped and altered the clearance measurement.

[jeepurz]

Originally posted by Pat Kelly
Put the covers inside large plastic bags then install (inside the bags) onto the engine. This protects the covers from overspray and keeps overspray out of the inside of the engine.

THATS THE BEST TIP!! good idea there. as far as the washer when i did my 650 I dropped a washer that went right through the nuetral detend hole, a one in a million shot there, I removed bottom filter cover tried a magnet , tipped motor over and sideways ect, finally I took a shop vac duct tapped a peice of small hose to nozzel stuck it in and hooked it , looked kinda goofy but it worked. now if ive got a motor sitting arouind with any cover off I cover the whole motor with a rag.