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  • SiP
    XStremely XSive
    • Aug 2006
    • 438
    • Medicine Hat, Canada

    #1

    bad to worse

    Ok - I posted on here about my snapped spark plug - the my snapped extractor in the spark plug hole.
    I've bitten the bullet and taken the head off, it's now in the machinists getting cleaned and heli coiled - That's the good news.
    Here's the kicker and if I had the ability I would indeed be kicking my own arse for being such a f@#*ing dimwit.
    While stripping the inlet cam off I dropped one of the bearing cup washers straight down the timing chain hole !!!!!
    There's no sign of it and fishing around with a magnet doesn't produce anything - please please please don't tell me I now have to do a complete engine strip. It's only little it might be OK?? is there any other way of seeing what's in the case?

    help
    Si Parker
    '81 XS1100H

    Tkat brace, new coils/wires/plugs, refurbed carbs (thanks 81 xsproject), recon'd top end, windshield (thanks dpotter58), resprayed tank and panels, 4-1 exhaust, sweet xs pod filters, in line fuel filters, progressive springs, thick hand grips, jumped headlight relay.
  • SiP
    XStremely XSive
    • Aug 2006
    • 438
    • Medicine Hat, Canada

    #2
    ebay carb kit

    By the way could someone (more knowledgable than me - ie everyone) check out this lnk for a carb kit and tell me if it's worth it/any good please.
    My bikes an '81 H by the way.

    Si Parker
    '81 XS1100H

    Tkat brace, new coils/wires/plugs, refurbed carbs (thanks 81 xsproject), recon'd top end, windshield (thanks dpotter58), resprayed tank and panels, 4-1 exhaust, sweet xs pod filters, in line fuel filters, progressive springs, thick hand grips, jumped headlight relay.

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    • TopCatGr58
      Administrator
      • Jul 2002
      • 12650
      • Portsmouth, Va.

      #3
      Hey Sip,

      Are you familiar with the Yamaha Online Microfiche site, if not, you can find it in the LINKs section! Go there, to the camchain section for your year/model, and you'll see the chain tensioner has this shelf as part of it's design, it may have fallen there, and with oil, could have just stuck!

      You can pull the bottom tranny pan off without pulling the engine and you may find it has fallen down into it!? This is why they say to stuff a RAG down into the cam chain tunnel to prevent this!

      Carb Rebuild Kit
      Carb Rebuild Kit - Fits: XS650SG-SL (1980-84) stock Mikuni 34mm. CV carbs
      Kit Contains : Push-in Float Valve assembly with O-Ring, Carb rubber passage
      Plug & Float bowl Gasket 3F7. Made in Japan - 1 kit required per carb.


      Part #48-1408 $12.00 USD /Kit
      MikesXS has the above kit. Free shipping with order over $35.00! Unless you need to replace your jets and choke plunger, usually not, then this is all you really need, just be careful when removing the pilot screws so as not to loose the little washer/o-ring around the tip down in the tunnel!

      GeorgeFix sells good stuff, but it's not all needed with a regular rebuild/cleaning! BTW, don't use the rubber pilot jet tower plug!
      T.C.
      T. C. Gresham
      81SH "Godzilla" . . .1179cc super-rat.
      79SF "The Teacher" . . .basket case!
      History shows again and again,
      How nature points out the folly of men!

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      • pggg
        XS-XJ Guru
        • Nov 2004
        • 1609
        • NZ

        #4
        Sip, the washer in the sump won't be a problem, the oil pump is screened with mesh, the washer will sit in the sump recess, but if you wanna get it out, you only need unbolt the sump pan. 14 bolts. 77 bucks for carb kits, waste of money if the carbs are all O.K. especially if those kits have non-mikuni parts, but maybe worth it if the carb components are all seized and corroded - which won't be the case if the bike's runnin O.K. Individual mikuni jets are about 5 or 6 bucks each.

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        • SiP
          XStremely XSive
          • Aug 2006
          • 438
          • Medicine Hat, Canada

          #5
          you guys r great, that's good news!!
          I checked out mikes xs, and he only seems to supply for 650's. Does it not matter with the carbs?
          Si Parker
          '81 XS1100H

          Tkat brace, new coils/wires/plugs, refurbed carbs (thanks 81 xsproject), recon'd top end, windshield (thanks dpotter58), resprayed tank and panels, 4-1 exhaust, sweet xs pod filters, in line fuel filters, progressive springs, thick hand grips, jumped headlight relay.

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          • 81xsproject
            XS-XJ Super Guru
            • Nov 2004
            • 3185
            • Fortuna, CA

            #6
            no, those will work. TC know his stuff and MikesXS is a great way to save money on items that overlap models.
            '81 XS1100 SH

            Melted to the ground during The Valley Fire

            Sep. 12th 2015

            RIP

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            • mro
              XS-XJ Super Guru
              • Oct 2005
              • 4276
              • Hayward, California

              #7
              Off with her head

              Good time to change the cam chain too.....



              mro

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              • Ken Talbot
                XS-XJ Super Guru
                • Jun 2002
                • 4251
                • Revelstoke, BC

                #8
                Only dropped one washer down the hole? You need to remove the oil pan first. Then, lay on your back on the left side of the bike with your feet towards the front wheel. Reach over with your right hand and put it up inside the open hole with your fingers forward. Chances are you will put your hand right on the washer. If you don't find it immediately, pat around with your fingers.

                BTDT, DAMHIKIJD
                Ken Talbot

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                • mro
                  XS-XJ Super Guru
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 4276
                  • Hayward, California

                  #9
                  Kinky aren’t they

                  Posted by a Canadan
                  Only dropped one down the hole? You need to remove the pan first. Then, lay on your back on the left side of the bed with your feet towards the front . Reach over with your right hand and put it up inside the open hole with your fingers forward. Chances are you will put your hand right on it. If you don't find it immediately, pat around with your fingers.

                  mro
                  the Menace
                  Last edited by mro; 09-06-2006, 01:21 AM.

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                  • oseaghdha
                    XS-XJ Guru
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 1075
                    • N43.02.5,W88.14.2

                    #10
                    Originally posted by pggg
                    Sip, the washer in the sump won't be a problem, the oil pump is screened with mesh, the washer will sit in the sump recess, but if you wanna get it out...............................
                    And you do want to get it out, don't you SIP?
                    Seriously, remember the "Anything that can wrong will go wrong" rule.

                    Good Luck with that.
                    O
                    XS1100SF
                    XS1100F

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                    • SiP
                      XStremely XSive
                      • Aug 2006
                      • 438
                      • Medicine Hat, Canada

                      #11
                      Again - thank you. However you've sparked another question

                      good time to do the cam chain..
                      How can you do it without splitting the case - I thought the chain was endless?
                      Si Parker
                      '81 XS1100H

                      Tkat brace, new coils/wires/plugs, refurbed carbs (thanks 81 xsproject), recon'd top end, windshield (thanks dpotter58), resprayed tank and panels, 4-1 exhaust, sweet xs pod filters, in line fuel filters, progressive springs, thick hand grips, jumped headlight relay.

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                      • mro
                        XS-XJ Super Guru
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 4276
                        • Hayward, California

                        #12
                        Cam chain riviting tool

                        cut chain, link or wire chains together, feed through, rivit new chain.

                        mro
                        btw, easier said than done, but not too hard


                        mro

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                        • mro
                          XS-XJ Super Guru
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 4276
                          • Hayward, California

                          #13
                          Need to order master link with new chain. Most will not come with it.


                          mro

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                          • prometheus578
                            XS-XJ Super Guru (RESIGNED)
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 4012
                            • Olympia , Wa.

                            #14
                            I dropped one of the bearing cup washers straight down the timing chain hole !!!!!
                            (I thought I was the only boob who ever did that! Still down in the bowels of the beast somewhere, too)
                            "Damn it Jim, I'm a doctor, not a mechanic!' ('Bones' McCoy)

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                            • TopCatGr58
                              Administrator
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 12650
                              • Portsmouth, Va.

                              #15
                              Re: Cam chain riviting tool

                              Originally posted by mro
                              cut chain, link or wire chains together, feed through, rivit new chain.

                              mro
                              btw, easier said than done, but not too hard

                              mro
                              Unless you have your Bro-n-law assist you, then you'll be sure to tear things up! Just ask Randy!
                              T.C.
                              T. C. Gresham
                              81SH "Godzilla" . . .1179cc super-rat.
                              79SF "The Teacher" . . .basket case!
                              History shows again and again,
                              How nature points out the folly of men!

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