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  • #61
    Ok ok guys...I've read about all this political BS I can handle. Geez these left-right thread get soooooooooooooooooo steenkin' long!

    There's one major difference between your opinions and mine......

    I'M RIGHT!


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    • #62
      Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I passed

      Originally posted by xs650mike
      You're heading down the slippery slope there Maxim. Using the same logic the rights tramplers could require massive insurance for all riders, even if helmeted, armored and leathered, who chose to ride these "inherently dangerous" vehicles. There are a lot of busybody killjoys out there.

      In that case we'd simply have to refuse medical care to people that couldn't pay for it. And to be honest with you I'm fine with that.

      If the public is to pay for medical care for people that will not pay for it themselves, then what's to stop those same people from demanding we pay for ... you name it...(housing, cars, boats, and big screen TVs) ?

      And don't forget...........
      most importantly............

      I'M RIGHT!

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      • #63
        Sorry to have asked about Helmut law

        Been bitting my tongue (fingers??)to NOT get involved in this political debate.

        BUT I have the solution:

        XS'es UNITE

        we can take over the world and save it from its self!!!!!!


        PS
        and if you do I want my own privite road (twisty prefered), with a bar at each end.


        mro

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        • #64
          Re: "Sticks his nose in...."

          I must say,I have just witnessed a filibuster,good God!
          Originally posted by prometheus578
          Gentlemen, I'm amused... yet saddened.
          Please do yourselves, and others around you a favor. Before reaching a conclusion or forming an opinion that you're going to try to defend with great emotional vigor, turn off the TV, do a little honest research, question everything that you think you know, and analyze the sources of information that you used to form your beliefs.
          If you believed that they "hate us because of our freedoms"... I understand that you're doing the best that you can with what your God has given you.
          If you want to believe the profferred 911 scenario that a jet liner with a 200+foot wingspan and a tail section four stories high neatly folded itself up and completely disappearred into a 16 foot hole at the Pentagon, that is your right. (The wall collapsed afterward)
          If you want to believe in Al-qaida world domination conspirators sitting in caves and that it took a great mastermind to plan and carry out 911, please recall that a few months later a mentally unstable teen in Florida stole a private plane and slammed it into a Bank of America building. Great mind, he.
          Nothing in history or politics happens by chance, and to believe anything else is insulting.
          For the price of a few thousand lives in a couple of tall buildings... look at the profits made.
          "No one I know will die... my sons aren't going to get maimed in the desert... but if all it takes is killing off a few thousand useless eaters to increase my portfolio and pad my corporate retirement fund, by jingo, I'm gonna do it."
          What everyone fails to realize, is that not everyone on this planet thinks like they do. What may be repugnant behavior to you and me, is actually a way of life for others. Why is that guy rich, when you and I struggle to scrounge XS parts? Because he has a ruthless, selfish desire to succeed, grab power and money at any cost. We mistakenly believe that no people think like this... just because we don't.
          I play chess.... because I like to move the men around" sums things up nicely.
          Don't forget that the Hawaiian monarchy was overthrown at the behest of the Dole Fruit Corp, or our imperial rumblings in Central America, overthrowing governments and setting up friendly dictators when United Fruit Company bought off congress. Doubt this? Look up the meaning of the term Banana Republic. Better still, read twice Medal of Honor decorated General Smedley Butler's paper 'War is a Racket".
          Afganistan? Don't make me laugh. The first thing the Taliban government did when they took power ten years ago was to destroy all the opium producing poppy fields. Funny, since we took power there and set up our puppet regime... they've had the biggest bumper crop of poppies in thirty years! Lot of money to be made there for someone, huh?
          Recall in the 1900's when the Dowager Queen closed off China to the outside world. Seems she didn't like the British East India Company bringing in opium from India and Afganistan to trade with the tea merchants. Nine out of every ten Chinese was addicted at the time. Brought out the Marines and armies from eleven nations to retake control of the Chinese ports, etc. Read up on the Boxer rebellion. (Rightous Harmonious Fists)
          Funny thing, Afganistan. Backward little place... till the discoveries of the Caspian Sea oil and natural gas reserves. Ten/fifteen years ago, Unocal paraded a guy named Hamad Kazai(sp) in front of congress, and urged them to "militarily persuade" Afganistan a little to allow them a pipeline across to the sea. No go. Hhmm, funny, but guess who now leads the puppet govt. we set up there? Yup... our old friend, Hamad Kazai, and the three permanent bases we've built are right along the route of the old proposed oil pipeline. Recall that the Taliban offered to turn Bin Laden over to a neutral court/country, which we obviously said wasn't good enough. (No reason to invade if they did that)
          History.... to understand the past is to predict the future.
          "Oh, those poor Russians! All their news is censored and their movie are pure propoganda." What... like ours isn't? Been to a movie lately? Watched TV lately? (I already know that answer)
          What's that great new movie.... "Poke-Back Mountain"? Ever see a horse with a broken back? Sort of curves the spine downward and forces the rump upward. Yup... that's the origin of the "Happy" sexual term "Broke-back mounting". Funny how your views have been changed for you. Scant few years ago you would have been repulsed by what you see on the TV today, yet now you accept. Can't recall the name of the network exec., but his comment on shaping opinion and culture was," If they can't shut off the shower, they at least will soon get used to getting wet."
          Forget the "Maine" and Hearst's "Yellow Journalism"? "You supply the headlines, I'll supply the war."
          Propaganda, pure and simple, to bend the minds and attitudes of the equally pure and simple. WMD... Sadaam's kid putting people into industrial meat grinders... Iraqi's pulling Kuwaiti babies from incubators, Germans hacking off the arms of Belgian children... jews into bars of soap... Child molestation at Waco, Texas. ("We did it for the children") Americans don't get riled unless someone leads them by the hand or they get spoon-fed their opinions from TV.
          "I trust Peter Jennings... 'cause it hurts to think for myself."
          We hung people during the Nuremburg Trials for the T4 program. Yet, the German eugenics program was based on the American and English ones. Yes, the evil Germans euthanised or sterilized the mentally incompetant in the 1930's. They were so evil... yet here at home, we still did it; the last state to stop "Involuntary Sterilization" of the mentally handicapped was I believe West Virginia, and that was in 1976!
          Any Oregonians with us tonight? Tell us about Oregon's recent Euthenasia law.
          Sorry, folks... but everyone knows a lot about what they know a little.
          Roosevelt and his commie cabinet! No, really? Hey, I got a president for you. Is it Roosevelt?
          Doesn't drink nor smoke. Is a vegetarian. During the great depression took his country off the gold standard and implemented a system of international barter. (Beef from Argentina for machined goods from them) Made the international bankers crazy! (caused a war, it did!). Went from millions unemployed in 1933 to zero unemployed in I think 3 years. (Things got so good that they had to shell out money to import foriegn workers). Reduced the work week. Instituted worker's holiday trips, at reduced rates. Newlyweds got a loan for a house, each child born brought the loan down by a quarter. (four kids, no loan) The young looked after the old. Crime was almost non-existant. Built a highway system envied and copied the world over. Oh, I'm sorry.. that was Roosevelts rival.
          Here's an interesting comparison: "Perhaps nothing better illustrates the differences between Axis and Allied leaders than a comparison of gifts they exchanged during the war. On the occasion of his 59th birthday, in 1942, Mussolini received from Hitler a beautifully bound, complete set of the works of Friedrich Nietzsche, the great 19th Century philosopher. In that same year, for his birthday, Roosevelt sent Churchill a case of bourbon."
          Ahh, history... ya got to love it.
          Have I missed any topics still?
          Immigration and politics? Boats of Cubans we turn back, but if they reach the shore, they can stay? What is that? Seems someone is concerned about the power of the Cuban voting bloc in Miami. We had a president that pardons and frees Puerto Rican felons and terrorists so his wife can get to be a senator, riding on the votes of the Puerto Ricans in New York. New York/ Arkansas... I don't get the connection. He was "The Education President", yet Arkansas only ranked higher than Hawaii in educational achievement! My own state, the sovereign State of Washington's Governer's election. Guy wins, but the loser says "...it was too close to call, do a recount." More votes miraculously appear and a recount is done. She still loses, and says "...that it still wasn't accurate enough." Recount again, this time with more votes from felons and the dead, she now wins... "Well... we counted votes three times now, let's stop wasting the tax-payer's money." What a system!
          Voting... are you kidding me. Considering some of the choices people make concerning what they wear, what music they listen to, what they watch on TV... I should have confidence in their ability to pick who should rule over me?
          Democracy? I thought we were a Republic. A Constitutional Republic, or have we all forgotten? (Or been told lies for years)
          I'll stop on politics, as I could write for hours.
          Hhmmm... actually, I think I'll stop writing altogether for this evening, for if I'm not already banned from this site, I probably soon would be!
          Don't ya just love when I start at one point and let the mind wander?
          Shall offer a few quotes that I've aquired over the years to provoke the mind to thinking again for itself. (Unfortunetely, I can't give proper credit for all of them)

          In short, there are very few who can think, but every man wants to have an opinion; and what remains but to take it ready-made from others, instead of forming opinions for himself?


          "The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also."
          — Mark Twain


          "The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible."
          — Bertrand Russell


          1. If someone is called upon to learn something which contradicts what they already think they know, particularly if they are committed to that prior knowledge, they are likely to resist the new learning.

          2. Counter-intuitively, perhaps if learning something has been difficult, uncomfortable, or even humiliating enough, people are less likely to concede that the content of what has been learned is useless, pointless or valueless. To do so would be to admit that one has been "had", or "conned".


          Searching for the truth is ugly, frightening and dangerous
          - and the only worthwhile choice.

          I will now, for the future, confine my writings to mechanical problems, my inability to solve same, and the occasional obscure musical reference or quip.
          ("Geez, doesn't this guy EVER shut up?")
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          • #65
            Re: Re: "Sticks his nose in...."

            Originally posted by Dan Hodges
            I must say,I have just witnessed a filibuster,good God!
            Well we are all XSive are we not?
            Shiny side up,
            650 Mike

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            • #66
              Re: the Rant

              Hmmm...shouldn't you be on th PLUS2 list?!

              I was wondering who those Puerto Rican terrorists were that Clinton pardoned. I've looked over the list of those he pardoned(http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm), and it looks like most were California or Texas violations. Lots of financial crimes represented...didn't we spend $100 million trying to pin a financial crime on the Clintons?

              Unemployment in the US went from about 4% in 1929 to a peak of 24+% in 1933, the year FDR took office. It remained above 14% through 1938, finally dropping during the Total War years. BTW, Germany didn't go on total war footing (24 hour shifts, restricted domestic production) until late 1944.

              Funny thing about democracy; I look at that twenty-somthing guy with saggy pants and headphones and wonder why he gets to vote. Does that guy in the gated community look at my old bike, my tract home, and my 100k mile car and wonder why I get to vote?

              For what it's worth, I'd rather have a case of bourbon than volumes of Nietzsche. And didn't Japan and Germany declare war on us first? I thought I read that somewhere.

              By the way, were you trying to make the point that an airliner didn't really hit the Pentagon? Based on what? I thought it was in all the papers, including the "liberal dominated" media...
              "Time is the greatest teacher; unfortunately, it kills all of its students."

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              • #67
                Originally posted by LoHo
                Re: the Rant

                I was wondering who those Puerto Rican terrorists were that Clinton pardoned. I've looked over the list of those he pardoned(http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/clintonpardon_grants.htm), and it looks like most were California or Texas violations. Lots of financial crimes represented...didn't we spend $100 million trying to pin a financial crime on the Clintons?

                Unemployment in the US went from about 4% in 1929 to a peak of 24+% in 1933, the year FDR took office. It remained above 14% through 1938, finally dropping during the Total War years. BTW, Germany didn't go on total war footing (24 hour shifts, restricted domestic production) until late 1944.

                For what it's worth, I'd rather have a case of bourbon than volumes of Nietzsche. And didn't Japan and Germany declare war on us first? I thought I read that somewhere.
                If Clinton pardoned Puerto Rican "terrorists" it wasn't to get votes for his wife. That's the sort of malarkey spread by so-called "conservative" radio talk show hosts who bank on their audiences being ignorant of both current events and history. Doing that would lose Hillary at least 2/3 to 3/4 of the New York Puerto Rican vote. Bill Clinton is politically savvy enough to know that Puerto Ricans are divided into 3 basic camps: pro statehood, pro status quo and pro independence. Any terrorists would likely be for independence which is the smallest of these three groups, quite small in fact. All pardoning those sorts of criminals would do would be to piss-off the bulk of Puerto Ricans who are divided almost exactly equally between the pro statehood and status quo factions. My wife told me this, she's from Puerto Rico and she and her whole family are for statehood.

                The depression era president to whom Prometheus refers, who brought full employment to his nation, is not Franklin Roosevelt but Adolf Hitler who in addition to being a vegetarian, a teetotaler and a charismatic orator was also a lover of animals in a sort of PETA mode. He delighted in horrifying his dinner guests by showing footage of grisly executions but cried if an animal was injured. brrrr!

                I'd rather have the bourbon too! Roosevelt gave that gift because Churchill, amongst his other sterling qualities, was a heavy drinker. We declared war on Japan, Larry, then Hitler declared war on us. He thought we would have our hands full with the Japanese and he also dismissed us as a "motley collection of Irish and Jews", not a real nation like Germany. One of the few instances where he actually honored a treaty.

                Dunno what he meant about the airliner into the Pentagon, I don't think there's any doubt that an airliner hit the Pentagon.

                I'm going for a ride now...don't think I'll come back to this thread again.
                Shiny side up,
                650 Mike

                XS1100SF "Rusty", runs great, 96k miles
                XS650SJ "The Black Bike", engine from XS650H with 750cc big bore kit, 30k miles

                Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out and defiantly shouting, "WOW, what a ride !" - [URL="http://www.flyingsnail.com/Sprung/index.html"]Sprung[/URL]

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                • #68
                  Hate to burst your bubble on privacy issues but, the courts have ruled any conversation over a cordless phone, a cell phone or data over a wireless network does NOT have the right to privacy because it broadcasts in public airspace and ANYONE with the right equiptment can listen in without a warrent. This goes for big brother too.

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                  • #69
                    Mike says: We declared war on Japan, Larry, then Hitler declared war on us. He thought we would have our hands full with the Japanese

                    Hmmm...I thought Japan declared war on us immediately after the attack on Pearl Harbor. They meant to do it at the same instant, but it took too long to type up:

                    http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/myths/matsum_1.html
                    "Time is the greatest teacher; unfortunately, it kills all of its students."

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                    • #70
                      I rarely watch TV. (Except cartoons, can't help myself )

                      I spend a LOT of time researching things like this.

                      The biggest difference is I'm not always looking for a conspiracy in everything I research. And if there's anything I've learned in my relatively short life, is that when you hear heavy opinions on both sides of an issue that the truth is almost always somewhere in the middle. Everyone spins their reality into what they want it to be. Me included.

                      You and my brother would have a lot of commonalities, I'd wager, Pro.

                      Me personally, I dont mind so much what we've done in The Middle East. Of course the reason we're there is oil. There's only so much oil left, and we need to use as much of everyone else's as we can before we use up all of own. Over the next 25 years, oil is going to become even more popular. Just wait until China goes fully mobile. Use it all up, I say! Let's move on to whatever's next.

                      Goddam that's selfish......so be it. Big buisness is all about selfishness. The buisness of America is Buisness, most definately.

                      As far as Hitler goes, he was the Socialist's ideal. Complete gevernmental control. Effeicient and ruthless, brilliant yet completely twisted. His "prosperity" however, was given at the heel of a boot. Of course there was little crime, criminals were executed on the spot. Everything you saw and heard was completely controlled by the government, as well as all the schools. It took him less than ten years to completely overwhelm the generally intelligent population of Germany and convince them they should take over the world. Had we not gotten involved when we did, he may very well could have. There's a happy world, eh?

                      You can bet your ass the Marxists and Maoists took Hitler's examples to heart, as well.

                      If that's the price of prosperity, I'd rather be penniless. Hitler would not have achieved what he did without it.

                      It also makes me eternally grateful that the Chinese are finding capitalism (The One True God ) There's a lot of people (AKA: Soldiers) in China, Living under a high level of government control. If you really want to worry about something, worry about them.
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                      • #71
                        I know what Pro was talking about. I remember seeing a website about the "Airplane" that hit the Pentagon also. Pretty intersesting stuff. Like he said... if it was an airliner... why did they not recover any pieces of airplane? No engines, no fuselauge (SP).. nuttin. They show pictures of it all right after it happened..there was no plane in the pictures.. or anything that resembled one.
                        Here's a link if anyone cares to watch it...about 3mb download of a slide/ movie. Makes ya think...
                        Pentagon "Plane"

                        And this all has to do with hemets how?? lol..

                        Tod
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                        • #72
                          Declarations of War/was Ahhnold

                          Originally posted by LoHo
                          Mike says: We declared war on Japan, Larry, then Hitler declared war on us. He thought we would have our hands full with the Japanese

                          Hmmm...I thought Japan declared war on us immediately after the attack on Pearl Harbor. They meant to do it at the same instant, but it took too long to type up:

                          http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/myths/matsum_1.html
                          I stand corrected Larry. I actually realized it right after I hit the post button and turned off the computer. I've gotta read these things over first. Slow decoders and slow typists, not that it mattered much, the intent was to deliver the declaration a couple of minutes before the attack which amounts to the same thing as an attack without warning. I suppose there's no stronger declaration of war than an air raid.

                          While on the subject of war, from my reading of the Constitution I get that only the congress has the sole power to wage war. I don't read anything in the Constitution allowing Congress to just give that power over to the president as it has done. No president since FDR has actually asked Congress for a declaration of war. It would seem that adherence to the Constitution by presidents, congresses and courts has been past history for some time now. Of course I'm not a lawyer so what do I know?
                          Shiny side up,
                          650 Mike

                          XS1100SF "Rusty", runs great, 96k miles
                          XS650SJ "The Black Bike", engine from XS650H with 750cc big bore kit, 30k miles

                          Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out and defiantly shouting, "WOW, what a ride !" - [URL="http://www.flyingsnail.com/Sprung/index.html"]Sprung[/URL]

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by trbig
                            I know what Pro was talking about. I remember seeing a website about the "Airplane" that hit the Pentagon also. Pretty intersesting stuff. Like he said... if it was an airliner... why did they not recover any pieces of airplane? No engines, no fuselauge (SP).. nuttin. They show pictures of it all right after it happened..there was no plane in the pictures.. or anything that resembled one.
                            Here's a link if anyone cares to watch it...about 3mb download of a slide/ movie. Makes ya think...
                            Pentagon "Plane"

                            And this all has to do with hemets how?? lol..

                            Tod
                            Those pictures are creepier even than the Zapruder film. So what really happened to AA 77?
                            Shiny side up,
                            650 Mike

                            XS1100SF "Rusty", runs great, 96k miles
                            XS650SJ "The Black Bike", engine from XS650H with 750cc big bore kit, 30k miles

                            Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out and defiantly shouting, "WOW, what a ride !" - [URL="http://www.flyingsnail.com/Sprung/index.html"]Sprung[/URL]

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                            • #74
                              "Look Boss... No Plane, No Plane!" (Fantasy Island)

                              I'll defend one issue and then move on, as promised.
                              I'm not an aeronautical engineer(though I play one on TV), so this is not "expert" opinion.
                              As I was only twenty miles away from O'Hare when the DC10 crashed in '79, I went over for a look after work. Quite an extensive debris field. Big chunks o' plane everywhere.
                              Was first on the site when an A10 "Warthog" slammed into a hill at Ft. McCoy, WI., in '87. Smaller craft, but large chunks o' it still covered a wide area.
                              I use these two incidents as my visual reference.
                              As my 'puter is about as antiquated as I am, I can't view the links posted, but scrounged a few for clarity of thought. (I also couldn't locate a linked photo of the Pentagon's 16 foot hole(before the wall collapsed 45 minutes later), but what I have should suffice.

                              [IMG][/IMG] Rendition of approx. size of plane to building. Tail section about 4 stories high, etc. That's a lot o' plane. Keep in mind that this is a hardened building, reenforced walls, etc, and that this is an airframe covered with stressed aluminum sheeting.(hardly a penetrator)[IMG][/IMG]After the collapse. I see no debris field. I see no chunks of anything. The early released photos showed the "round hole" that, according to the "official story", the plane supposedly folded itself into an origami "square peg" and squeezed itself into. Funny, but I would have expected to see a "knife-slice" through the upper two stories where the tailfin slammed into the building. Actually, as these crafts are not armoured or built for this type of heavy duty work, I'd have expected to see the whole, snapped off tail section lying on the lawn, glistening in the morning sun. A large plane is not going to disappear like this. The impact of the wings against the walls would have slowed it's momentum considerably, and would have shortly stopped all forward movement. So where's the rear end of the plane?
                              This building has more outside security cameras than a small city, yet the only photos we are shown of the incoming plane and crash are obscured by the helipad control tower and other structures. There were hundreds of security camera tapes confiscated from the surrounding businesses. The Citco gas station across the street, in particular had an open view of the whole area. All tapes were returned, except 80.(Citco included) "Freedom of Information" requests are denied due to "National Security, yet the WTC vidies are shown ad nauseum. What did it, or didn't it show?
                              Ok... so there's an opposing viewpoint. Do your own research, form your own conclusion, believe what you wish.
                              (I would offer more info... but I'm busy tracking down the Lindbergh Baby)
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                              • #75
                                One of the cool things about conspiracy theories is that any refutation can be dismissed as more "cover-up." And the idea of competing conspiracies makes it even more fun ("The mob shot Kennedy...no, it was the Russians..the Cubans...LBJ...Joe DiMaggio..."). Here's even more cover-up...or are these facts?!:
                                http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ppfinal.html
                                "Time is the greatest teacher; unfortunately, it kills all of its students."

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