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  • Peanutbutter Nma
    XSive
    • Jul 2024
    • 45
    • Pennsylvania

    #1

    NEW Rear Master Cylinder?

    Hey yall, just hoping someone can point me in the right direction. I bought new components for the whole brake system: 3 caliper rebuild kits, SS lines F/R, new MCs for front and rear, calipers, rotors... All the stuff. The only two parts I was unsure about were the MCs from MikesXS, but my front MC was toast. Pitting in the cylinders and stuff. Rear works, but is slow to return.

    I got home, pulled the front MC off the bars and the brake switch cable ends are different than I need, not representative of the picture on their site. Fine, a little annoying, but I can crimp new connectors. Imagine my frustration upon finding the rear MC is a totally different design. In buying a bunch of stuff, I didn't make note of the Universal Fit. I worry about the old rear MC binding up on the road, but I'd buy a rebuild kit if I could find one!

    I'm already drafting up drawings to fab some brackets in case I can't return the rear MC. In the event I do send it back, does anyone have a line on reliable replacement rear MCs that are mostly plug and play?
    1978 XS1100E - "Bessie"
    1978 XS1100E - "Pearl"
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    Previous bikes:
    2012 Yamaha YZF-R6
    2015 Yamaha MT-09 - "Amber"
  • DEEBS11
    XS-XJ Guru
    • Feb 2023
    • 1425
    • Connecticut

    #2
    No new MC available that will bolt in. Here is a rebuild kit for the unit.


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    • DEEBS11
      XS-XJ Guru
      • Feb 2023
      • 1425
      • Connecticut

      #3
      A decent looking used unit. Would probably need rebuilding as well. If yours is rusted solid, you may need to start with something like this.


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      • LAB3
        XSive Maximus
        • May 2022
        • 683
        • Traveling the U.S. with no permanent address

        #4
        I've had decent luck using units similar to this on other bikes, you'd need to swap out the brake line and go with a single hose from the MC back on the XS11.

        1980 XS1100G

        Intelligent people discuss ideas, average people discuss events, petty people discuss other people.

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        • DEEBS11
          XS-XJ Guru
          • Feb 2023
          • 1425
          • Connecticut

          #5
          LAB3, do you think that Chinese unit is safe for a large bike?

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          • Peanutbutter Nma
            XSive
            • Jul 2024
            • 45
            • Pennsylvania

            #6
            Hey Deebs,

            While this first year or so is planned to mostly restore it to something like stock, I plan on holding onto this bike for a pretty long time. That being said I want modern, reliable, easily serviceable components while retaining the character of the bike. I still feel weird about rebuilding untested potential 50 year old parts, am I being overly cautious?

            Thanks for the line on the rebuild kit for the rear though, I snatched it up since the rear brake was working when I got it. I don't like not being able to see the level but I'll make do. I'll try to make the other MC work when I find the time for it, could be a fun little project.

            The front MC was rusted solid, and too boogered up to use without boring it out or something. I'm gonna hunt around the shop to see if I've got some spare crimp-on connectors that will work. If it comes down to it, I'll just put new connectors on both ends of the wires.

            Calipers are all blasted and painted, waiting on the rotors and the rebuild kit and I should have everything I need to check brakes off the list.
            1978 XS1100E - "Bessie"
            1978 XS1100E - "Pearl"
            --------------------------------
            Previous bikes:
            2012 Yamaha YZF-R6
            2015 Yamaha MT-09 - "Amber"

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            • Peanutbutter Nma
              XSive
              • Jul 2024
              • 45
              • Pennsylvania

              #7
              Lab3, that'd probably work but it's not altogether disimilar to what I've got in hand already. Also seems too good to be true. You can barely get that much raw aluminum for that price.
              Last edited by Peanutbutter Nma; 08-05-2024, 03:07 AM.
              1978 XS1100E - "Bessie"
              1978 XS1100E - "Pearl"
              --------------------------------
              Previous bikes:
              2012 Yamaha YZF-R6
              2015 Yamaha MT-09 - "Amber"

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              • LAB3
                XSive Maximus
                • May 2022
                • 683
                • Traveling the U.S. with no permanent address

                #8
                Originally posted by DEEBS11
                LAB3, do you think that Chinese unit is safe for a large bike?

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                As mentioned, a similar unit. During the early part of the COVID freakout I rehabbed an 82 Goldwing and used a generic rear like that one but I did make sure to get one of a similar bore size to the original.

                The cheap front MC's that we've both touted on here are probably cheap Chinese units as well.
                1980 XS1100G

                Intelligent people discuss ideas, average people discuss events, petty people discuss other people.

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                • DEEBS11
                  XS-XJ Guru
                  • Feb 2023
                  • 1425
                  • Connecticut

                  #9
                  That is correct, they are also Chinese. Point taken.

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                  • Peanutbutter Nma
                    XSive
                    • Jul 2024
                    • 45
                    • Pennsylvania

                    #10
                    Originally posted by DEEBS11
                    That is correct, they are also Chinese. Point taken.

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                    There is a substantive difference between the chinesium stuff made out of soda cans and the stuff they reverse engineered or stole the prints for. All manufacturing is overseas now, discernment is the name of the game. Price point is usually the first clue.

                    Just gutted the old rear on the workbench. Seems alright, just gonna send it with the rebuild kit. Thanks yall.
                    1978 XS1100E - "Bessie"
                    1978 XS1100E - "Pearl"
                    --------------------------------
                    Previous bikes:
                    2012 Yamaha YZF-R6
                    2015 Yamaha MT-09 - "Amber"

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                    • DEEBS11
                      XS-XJ Guru
                      • Feb 2023
                      • 1425
                      • Connecticut

                      #11
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                      • Peanutbutter Nma
                        XSive
                        • Jul 2024
                        • 45
                        • Pennsylvania

                        #12
                        That bolt on the bottom left is blocking off the port going to the forward brakes, correct? Proportioning valve?
                        1978 XS1100E - "Bessie"
                        1978 XS1100E - "Pearl"
                        --------------------------------
                        Previous bikes:
                        2012 Yamaha YZF-R6
                        2015 Yamaha MT-09 - "Amber"

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                        • DEEBS11
                          XS-XJ Guru
                          • Feb 2023
                          • 1425
                          • Connecticut

                          #13
                          It's just an orifice plug. You can remove that to get inside to clean. Two tiny holes that lead to the cup reservoir need to be clean and free from debris.

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