Home Electrician info needed!?

[b.walker5]

Hi Brian,
the true quote is:- "A camel is a horse designed by a committee."

That would be a committee of engineers, would it not?

[b.walker5]

And one for Don....

A mathmatician, a physicist, and an engineer were all given a red rubber ball and told to find the volume.
The mathmatician carefully measured the diameter and evaluated a triple integral.
The physicist filled a beaker with water, put the ball in the water, and measured the total displacement.
The engineer looked up the model and serial numbers in his red-rubber-ball table.

[ViperRon]

bet your job day

Ah so much arguing and discussion over the problem with no solution. The real problem in the USA is the certification of electricians, plumbers, builders, mechanics, and even inspectors in many areas is a joke and there is no real punishment for the guilty person. There are many true professionals who do great work and there are also as many who are idiots or corrupt. What I think the consumer needs is a consumer protection law which allows them the customer to have a qualified expert come in and re-inspect any electrical pluming construction work and if it is inadequate or incorrectly done to have an arrest warrant issued in which the person who did the work as well as any supervisor and or local inspector who inspected the work may be criminally charged and if found guilty or negligible may serve jail time and have all certifications removed dependant on severity of the problem and record. I am sure there are professionals that would love to lock up the last guy that did the work before him and or the jack leg home owner or maintenance man. It’s also hard for a professional to compete with incompetent people. I also believe a person should be allowed to do his own work and fall under the same inspection requirements but should have the requirement of reporting all work before sale of vehicle and or property. Remember an accusation would need to be proven so the system is never flawless but currently the customer always looses.

[b.walker5]

What I think the consumer needs is a consumer protection law which allows them the customer to have a qualified expert come in and re-inspect any electrical pluming construction work and if it is inadequate or incorrectly done to have an arrest warrant issued in which the person who did the work as well as any supervisor and or local inspector who inspected the work may be criminally charged and if found guilty or negligible may serve jail time and have all certifications removed dependant on severity of the problem and record.

Thats pretty much the way it works here.

[TopCatGr58]

Ah, yes, engineers!

Engineers, yeah, their the ones that put the fuel pump on the INSIDE of the fuel tank, right!

Or, designed the car engine head so that you have to take off the intake manifold to be able to change the spark plugs!

I do have to thank the '85 FORD Escort engineers for changing the valve to piston clearance on their 4 cylinder engines, so that WHEN the timing belt would break at ~30k mile intervals, it wouldn't destroy the head/valves, so that all I had to do was put it back in proper valve time, put the new belt on and drive away! I did this 3 times in the 90+k miles that we put on that little machine. The year earlier model didn't have that feature, and folks had heads destroyed when their belts broke...the teeth would break off around the crank shaft usually upon attempting to start it, so the crank would spin but the cams would NOT!

But I did have to drill a hole thru the right wheel well to be able to access the crank shaft pulley bolt, and tap the engine to break the nut loose!

My Electrician came down with the Flu last week, haven't called him to see if he's better/good enough to be able to work this weekend, will let you all know when I finally do get the 220v line installed.

T.C.

[fredintoon]

Engineers, yeah, their the ones that put the fuel pump on the INSIDE of the fuel tank, right!

Or, designed the car engine head so that you have to take off the intake manifold to be able to change the spark plugs!

I do have to thank the '85 FORD Escort engineers for changing the valve to piston clearance on their 4 cylinder engines, so that WHEN the timing belt would break at ~30k mile intervals, it wouldn't destroy the head/valves, so that all I had to do was put it back in proper valve time, put the new belt on and drive away! I did this 3 times in the 90+k miles that we put on that little machine. The year earlier model didn't have that feature, and folks had heads destroyed when their belts broke...the teeth would break off around the crank shaft usually upon attempting to start it, so the crank would spin but the cams would NOT!

But I did have to drill a hole thru the right wheel well to be able to access the crank shaft pulley bolt, and tap the engine to break the nut loose!

My Electrician came down with the Flu last week, haven't called him to see if he's better/good enough to be able to work this weekend, will let you all know when I finally do get the 220v line installed.

T.C.

Hi TC,
you have to understand that the engineers are not in charge, it's the stylists and the bean counters who over-ride them to make these daft decisions.
Plug change stories;-
An early Bugatti had to have it's back axle dropped to tilt the entire drivetrain enough to change the rear plugs.
The first V8 Rolls-Royce kept the same narrow hood line as the straight sixes. The plugs were changed via access panels in the front fenders after the front wheels were removed.
"What else has your chauffeur to do on a rainy Sunday?"
And Henry's trick to change the rear plugs on his V8 Chevy Vega.
Knock the ceramics off with a hammer and take the stubs out with a box-end.
Spin the new ones in finger tight, they'll soon seal up.
Make sure your electrician sees a qualified MD, eh?

[cywelchjr]

And Henry's trick to change the rear plugs on his V8 Chevy Vega.
Knock the ceramics off with a hammer and take the stubs out with a box-end.
Spin the new ones in finger tight, they'll soon seal up.

Of course Chevy never sent a V8 Vega out of the factory door. However lots of guys retrofit V8's into them, and I've heard of some of those retrofits having that type of problem. Chevy did build V8 Monza's which were based on very close to the same chassis, but the process you describe wasn't used, you DID however have to take the left I believe motor mount loose and jack up the engine to change the #8 plug, which IIRC had to be changed like every 15000 miles or something like that.

[fredintoon]

Of course Chevy never sent a V8 Vega out of the factory door. However lots of guys retrofit V8's into them, and I've heard of some of those retrofits having that type of problem. Chevy did build V8 Monza's which were based on very close to the same chassis, but the process you describe wasn't used, you DID however have to take the left I believe motor mount loose and jack up the engine to change the #8 plug, which IIRC had to be changed like every 15000 miles or something like that.

Hi Cy,
OK then, Monza. (I remember it was one of those Italian sounding names, it was a while back) Yeah, Henry didn't fancy the hassle involved in loosening and jacking so he developed his own Q&D plug change technique instead.

[cywelchjr]

Hi Cy,
OK then, Monza. (I remember it was one of those Italian sounding names, it was a while back) Yeah, Henry didn't fancy the hassle involved in loosening and jacking so he developed his own Q&D plug change technique instead.

Tis ok. I was a big of a Vega fan in my younger days. I owned several, all more or less stock, and had one of the first 1000 ever built back in the late 70's early 80's. Unfortunately I ended up having the leave it when I got out of the army, didn't have a way to take it with me, had to keep the 74 Vega wagon that the family fit in (with 4 kids it was fun, but had that car something like 10 years and over 100,000 miles), the 71 coupe just didn't fit the family so it had to go. Now I have XS11's and Camaro's (Vega's were really the little brothers, the coupe version always looked almost exactly like a shrunken version of the Camaro of that year). The only reason I don't still have the Vega wagon is it tried to be a boat during a flood back in 86, and ended up with the drive train ruined. Had that not happened I would probably still have that car to this day.