Parts Bike with title in San Antonio

[meteor3178]

Found this on Craigslist, Wants an offer for all the parts WITH a TITLE

Clicky

[cywelchjr]

That title would make life easier for anybody using the engine in a state that requires both VIN's. In some cases you have to be able to document where the engine that doesn't match the frame came from and that it's legit. Then again for just the engine often only a receipt showing purchase is needed.

[fredintoon]

Found this on Craigslist, Wants an offer for all the parts WITH a TITLE

Clicky

Hi Meteor,
don't most States require the FRAME to be titled and that seller ain't got no frame?

[meteor3178]

Not sure

Fred, I'm not sure of the laws pertaining to titling motorcycles. I know he doesn't mention a frame though.

[DGXSER]

Exactly what I was thinking Fred. Every state I know anything of requires the titel to match the frame information. Some folks here have advised that their local authorities require the engine to match as well, but if you do not have the frame to match the title you would be hosed.

[cywelchjr]

Exactly what I was thinking Fred. Every state I know anything of requires the titel to match the frame information. Some folks here have advised that their local authorities require the engine to match as well, but if you do not have the frame to match the title you would be hosed.

California requires that both the frame and engine numbers be on the title and that they match the title. As a matter of fact, you actually have to re-title a bike if the engine is changed. This requires a CHP or DMV inspection and a new title issued. If you get pulled over and they have some reason to actually check those numbers, they CAN impound the bike if they don't match the title. I know not all states do this, but here if you don't have a VIN on both the engine AND frame, it has to have one assigned by the CHP. If the DMV is in a bad mood, they can make you prove the VIN on the engine is legit as well, showing the train of sales from the last person to have the title to the frame the engine came out of.

[Jerry]

My undersanding, in the 4 states that I have lived in (Wisconsin, Colorado, Arizona, Oregon) that the title must match the frame, not the engine. In fact, it is common for brand-new bikes to have engine and frame numbers off by a couple digits.

When I bought my XJ from a guy in Maine, the title number and frame number did not match, as one pair had been transposed on the title. I had to take a photo of the frame number and sent it to Maine so they could send me a corected bill-of-sale. (Maine does not title motorcycles over 5(?) year old. You get a bill-of-sale instead of a title.) Never was asked about the engine number, or if it matched. Only interest was in the frame number. I had no problems getting a title in Wisconsin from the bill-of-sale issued from Maine. Neither state ever asked about the engine number.

[DGXSER]

Yes Jerry, one of those state-by-state things. I believe the better portion of the US states do NOT require the engine number. I know for a fact that Kentucky, Ohio, and Indiana do not. But then, just like California decided to go against the grain on a few "delicate" issues, so do others on this issue of engines and frames matching it seems. But, i am willing to bet no matter what state you go to, if the Frame does not match the title your screwed. Regardless of whether the engine matches or not.

[cywelchjr]

Yes Jerry, one of those state-by-state things. I believe the better portion of the US states do NOT require the engine number. I know for a fact that Kentucky, Ohio, and Indiana do not. But then, just like California decided to go against the grain on a few "delicate" issues, so do others on this issue of engines and frames matching it seems. But, i am willing to bet no matter what state you go to, if the Frame does not match the title your screwed. Regardless of whether the engine matches or not.

California don't care if the frame and engine match, but does require that BOTH be on the title. So if I change the engine, technically I am required to go through the inspection process and have the title amended with the new engine number. Most DMV employees could care less on older bikes about documentation on the engine, other than making sure it's not from a stolen bike, but they do require it. Interesting thing is, the engine I got from the wrecking yard that is in the bike now has no serial number at all. The space for it is blank and virgin. So, assuming I could get a punch set that looks like the original, I could put my original engine number on the new one and nobody would be the wiser. (now where is the place I can get those? )

PS, since many other states don't require this, California takes whatever the other state does, and then puts the engine number on the Ca title.