Where have all the guru's gone?

[LoHo]

Similar events led to the creation of XS11Plus and then Plus2, to which I belonged for quite a while. Internal conflicts and third-world style management led to Plus falling apart, then the advent of Plus2. There were occasional conflicts about politics, but the other vices were well tolerated, as in humor and naked women, two of my favorites. I left because it seemed to me to devolve into nothing but political rants by two or three members and quit being fun.

For that same reason, I only went into the HBT once. It looked like what was going on there was the same as Plus2, with firey political commentary and vicious defenses of whatever fringe position one might want to take, and aggressive denunciations of any who dare question those positions.

Since I avoided the HBT, I am not privy to all that went on and who was banned or why. I guess the bad blood has to be cleared out every few years with the firebrands splitting off to form their own clubs, and this forum moving back toward oil/tire/coil/won't start/runs rough-threads.

The Mods should have just moved the HBT to the "Other Bikes" forum, where it would have died, alone and ignored, of neglect.

[cywelchjr]

I am so glad i bought another XS1100 and came back to these forums to talk about bikes.

Seeems to me that there is nothing here but a bunch of people that dont like others.

A Good ol Boy group.

Maybe there is a differant site to go to. I'll have to look around.
Wow, one little pissing match takes over the entire forum.

Have fun if you can, and i hope you dont talk about this banning **** if i ever met you on a ride somewhere. Ill be the guy on the XS.

I think we are all getting a bit out of hand. I'm on both sites at the moment (I don't mean two browsers open but that I'm a member both places) and I figure in a little while it will die down on both sides, and some of them may even come back here, AND keep going over there.

I'm all about sharing info about these machines of ours, and I'm in active conversations on both sites about technical issues and fixes and troubleshooting.

One thing to remember, both sites have a section for general conversations that don't have anything to do with the XS, this thread is in the one on here. The other forum on here is for the technical stuff and is where I try really hard to stay on the topic of our bikes. This one here is kinda like the lounge, where pretty much any polite amicable conversion is ok.

[crazy steve]

I think you're looking hard for trouble. Keep going this way and I'm sure you'll find it somewhere...

Geezer

Yeah, it appears there's a few that are looking for that 'banned' badge so they can go back and say 'look, me too!' and be part of the 'in' crowd...

The most interesting part of all this is the fact that the 'mods' over there are pretty much all the same guys who had the most trouble with the rules here. So that tells me that there's essentially no rules over there, so that may end up degenerating into some real dogfights...

'78E original owner

[65oldsboy]

All of this crap will die down eventually. There is plenty of bitterness to go around. After a while, this site will be mostly about XS's. It will probably take the .org site a bit longer to settle down. I'm not sure what that will turn into. I just plan on gaining as much knowledge and info that I can from both sites to make my scoot the best I can make it. I've never met anyone from either site in person but I would like to attend a rally/ride when the bike is road worthy. Most of the guys/gals on here seem to be level-headed and people that I would enjoy meeting. I might even gain a friend or two.

The wound is still fresh. After a while, this mess will be more or less forgotten by most people and we will have 2 web sites with info on our bike of choice. I think that if people would just learn to relax and not get so upset over every little thing, we all would be a lot happier.

[xs11lover]

I've been here all along and I missed it all. I guess the hot button area was not the place to be anyway. If I want a fight I'll talk to the wife. I'd like to keep it to xs's around here.

[vincer]

Like I stated before, I have said my piece and am done with it.

[Rstyduck]

I am so glad i bought another XS1100 and came back to these forums to talk about bikes.

Seeems to me that there is nothing here but a bunch of people that dont like others.

A Good ol Boy group.

Maybe there is a differant site to go to. I'll have to look around.
Wow, one little pissing match takes over the entire forum.

Have fun if you can, and i hope you dont talk about this banning **** if i ever met you on a ride somewhere. Ill be the guy on the XS.

[Geezer]

If you prefer to keep your head in the sand and accept the lies, then that is your choice. I have said my piece and don't really intend to keep rehashing it.
I wouldn't be surprised if I am banned myself now that I have revealed that I am friends with those that have been banned recently.

I think you're looking hard for trouble. Keep going this way and I'm sure you'll find it somewhere...

Geezer

[Toolmaker Tim]

Let it go

They were banned, left, taken by aliens, whatever. It was stated the most all of them could come back if they want. That statement semed pretty clear and straight forward. There has been enough banning, accusations, smearing and in general unpleasentness. It's great that you are loyal to your friend. You aren't the only one around here that has been hurt by all of this. All this venom isn't going to change anything. Like Brian said there is no point regurgitating this over and over. If you keep bring it back up over and over it's just going to taste nasty.

[vincer]

"People lie"
Dr House

It sounds like a bunch of sour grapes to me... Now we now just let this BS die out?

Geezer

If you prefer to keep your head in the sand and accept the lies, then that is your choice. I have said my piece and don't really intend to keep rehashing it.
I wouldn't be surprised if I am banned myself now that I have revealed that I am friends with those that have been banned recently.

[Geezer]

"People lie"
Dr House

It sounds like a bunch of sour grapes to me... Now we now just let this BS die out?

Geezer

[b.walker5]

Come on guys, can we all just get over it and move on !?. Whats done is done, and constantly analysing and regurgitating it does no one any good. Time to let it go before this thread turns nasty like others have in the past.

[vincer]

Not trying to cause trouble. But when I read something like that, posted by a mod that was most likely involved in the decision to ban these guys, that is false and misleading as in saying some of the guys weren't banned but just quit, what would you do? Have I monitored Russ 's internet traffic, no. But I know him personally and when he tells me he did not break any of this sites rules, I believe him.

[crazy steve]

Vince, that's the kind of stupid statements that cause trouble. How do YOU know that Russ is a total innocent? Had you been with him for the months preceding this 24/7 monitoring his computer traffic? If anything less, then you DON'T know just what went on, other than the one side that makes you think you do.

Jeeez... there's that common sense thing again.

'78E original owner

[vincer]

Not all the posts made were to a thread. There have been some PM's between members and the mods. They STAY between the members and mods, as that is what PM's are for. Not ALL of the "banned" were banned from here. Some DID choose to leave. Remember, the people DO have a right to leave the forum, as well as join. If they feel more at home on the other site, great! if not, almost ALL are welcome back. We are just trying to bring this site back to what it was two years ago, before the "experiment".

I am sorry but you are either uninformed or lying. All of the BANNED were banned on the 6th without warning or reason given. Not a single 1 quit. I will check with Russ but pretty sure he wasn't sending the moderators inflammatory or even argumentative pm's. Most likely none at all.