Where have all the guru's gone?

[Geezer]

We are just trying to bring this site back to what it was two years ago, before the "experiment".

That sounds good to me...

Geezer

[DiverRay]

Not all the posts made were to a thread. There have been some PM's between members and the mods. They STAY between the members and mods, as that is what PM's are for. Not ALL of the "banned" were banned from here. Some DID choose to leave. Remember, the people DO have a right to leave the forum, as well as join. If they feel more at home on the other site, great! if not, almost ALL are welcome back. We are just trying to bring this site back to what it was two years ago, before the "experiment".

[red bandit]

You got that right....somethings rotten in Denmark.

[vincer]

There used to be some other people on this site that just, mentally, physically, or some combination therein, could NOT stop arguing for the sake of arguing. It got real old.

So someone like Russ79 who had all of about 6 posts this year was banned for being too argumentative? Something just doesn't add up here.

[b.walker5]

eeeeeeeewwwwwww, a Norton.....

[81xsproject]

For all of you looking for Guys in the babes thread, you should give it another once-over. IIRC, there was a guy addition at one point in time. I believe one pic was keanu Reeves on either an old Norton or BSA, but that is really a stretch of the memory.

[mysticrider]

Hot guys!!!!!

I think it is an excellent idea!!! A Thread for just the "girls".....well maybe some of you guys......eh I've been a member for over 2 years now and all I've gotten to see is just a bunch of "old" motorcycles - go figure.???? We can call it HBT "HOT BUTT'S TOPIC". I'll be watching for it.

[Larrym]

Tug-O-War: For the Facts or For the Fun??

There used to be some other people on this site that just, mentally, physically, or some combination therein, could NOT stop arguing for the sake of arguing. It got real old.

Yep. I saw it in the same sorta way.

Contentious definition-

"inclined or showing an inclination to dispute or disagree"
"Marked by heated arguments or controversy; Given to struggling with others out of jealousy or discord"
"an inclination to be quarrelsome "
"exhibiting an often perverse and wearisome tendency to quarrels and disputes "

The way I understand "contentiousness" is to look at the way a dog learns to play "tug-o-war" with a sock. As a puppy, a sock is just something they pick up and start chewing on: no harm and no foul. Well, that is until the owner of that sock sees what's happening. Then the human tries to grab the sock and take it away from the puppy's mouth. The puppy instinctively bites harder on the sock and pulls back: the game is ON and can continue for as long as both want to "play". The sock becomes meaningless at some point. Just something to play the game with. Something fun to do. A way to pass the time. When you see a dog come up to you with a sock in his mouth and that look in his eye then you know exactly what he wants to do. It's your choice of whether to "play" or not to "play". If you play this game with your dog both you and the dog will get stronger/better at the game as the years go by. ( Unless the dog learns that it's more fun/tastes better to bite your hand...)

So, IMO the forum here had folks that enjoyed the same type of "contention". That was a way for them to "contribute". The reward of the contention was the act itself.That's not my "cup-o-tea" as I usually follow "debate rules" where loaded questions, Verbal Attack Patterns, personal insults, deliberate hostility, etc aren't permitted by the "debate moderator." As soon as I recognized any of these signs/behaviors I stopped participating in the exchange: up against a "bad faith" debater or a deliberately bad debater.

Some Disputes or disagreements can/will happen and can usually be settled when the cold hard facts or laws of physics are verified/agreed upon. (Which way does the engine rotate, CW or CCW??) I look forward to seeing these types of "disputes" discussed/settled in a way that is civil and adds to the overall knowledge base. I see the purpose of this forum is to allow the members to both learn and to contribute for the greater good.

I Can't really subscribe to "contention" and deliberate discord/verbal abuse as a means for contributing to the forum/members here. But then I've never been able to watch an entire episode of "Jerry Springer" either. JMHO

[crazy steve]

I have no problem with it being there. I am just making an argument for the sake of argument (I have a problem with being playing devils advocate in most any situation ) I am just saying that if there are going to be rules then the rules should be enforced unquestionably. There should not be exceptions for this person because him and the mod are friends but the mod hates this other guy, or because the mod wants to talk about this topic but hates to talk about that topic.

If people are going to use the "These are the rules, if you don't like them then take your toys and goes home" argument then there should not be exceptions period. Honestly if that is the way that mods are going to enforce rules then they should not be mods because they are not properly doing their job of being impartial.

Nate, trying to apply a 'black/white' mindset to any set of rules leads to stupidities such as expelling a 6 year old kid from school for showing up with a 1" plastic toy gun. Some common sense has to be applied, but unfortunately it seems to be less 'common' among some people. As I posted earlier, from what I've seen the mods here were very patient on numerous occasions when these guys went too far (and multiple warnings were given), so their 'surprise' at being banned is either contrived and just demonstates to me that their belief that 'free speech' overrules any site rules, or shows up their obliviousness at how obnoxious they could be, in spite of it being pointed out to them.

Putting up with someone who constantly is 'testing' the rules is extremely tiring (as any parent can tell you), but we're all supposed to be adults here, and there's no reason to tolerate that sort of thing past childhood. Sure, everybody screws up sometimes, but you're supposed to learn from those experiences, and that didn't seem to be the case here.

I could make more comments, but in the interests of peace and love, won't...

Let's move on.

'78E original owner

[cywelchjr]

Ohh...and Cy, I'd pose with Banshee, but me in anything close to revealing qualifies as vulgar these days.

Notice, I did say "hot" guys. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that puts most of us out of contention! (that includes me, I don't think I have EVER fell into that category (I know that SWMBO might disagree on the EVER part but I don't think it's wrong))

[cywelchjr]

omfg!!!! Dont get rid of the babes!!!!! Lmfao

We don't want to get rid of them. We just want to see them on XS11's (and particularly on mine)

[natemoen]

Nate, I'm not the type to take the bait so to speak, at least not often. So no argument from me. I have heard of a place where that might entice you though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

The real problem is when folks can not differentiate between room 12 and 12a.


Ohh...and Cy, I'd pose with Banshee, but me in anything close to revealing qualifies as vulgar these days.

I am not trying to bait anyone or start an argument, I am just saying things should be fair and impartial. I am sorry if I have stepped on toes or offended anyone. I am now leaving this thread never to return to it

[DGXSER]

Nate, I'm not the type to take the bait so to speak, at least not often. So no argument from me. I have heard of a place where that might entice you though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

The real problem is when folks can not differentiate between room 12 and 12a.


Ohh...and Cy, I'd pose with Banshee, but me in anything close to revealing qualifies as vulgar these days.

[cywelchjr]

"By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violation of any laws."

For argument sake I would say that the bikes and babes thread would absolutely fit into the "sexually oriented" category. It may not be vulgar but that is a different stipulation in the agreement. So why then should that whole thread get deleted for that reason. If someone wants to see pictures of "bikes and babes" then they can go to a website that specializes in that. This website is dedicated to the xs11 and not bikes and babes.

If we are going to be fair then lets be fair and not play favorites.

My .02 cents

I agree and disagree with the what you say on that thread. I don't have a real problem with they thread, but it would be a lot more on topic if more of them had hot chicks on XS11's (and there are a few of those in the mix BTW). But then again, to be fair to the fairer members of the site (Kat being in that category), we should have a few pics on hot guys in various non-vulger states of undress on/with XS11's for them too.

[81xsproject]

I have no problem with it being there. I am just making an argument for the sake of argument (I have a problem with being playing devils advocate in most any situation ) I am just saying that if there are going to be rules then the rules should be enforced unquestionably. There should not be exceptions for this person because him and the mod are friends but the mod hates this other guy, or because the mod wants to talk about this topic but hates to talk about that topic.

If people are going to use the "These are the rules, if you don't like them then take your toys and goes home" argument then there should not be exceptions period. Honestly if that is the way that mods are going to enforce rules then they should not be mods because they are not properly doing their job of being impartial.

There used to be some other people on this site that just, mentally, physically, or some combination therein, could NOT stop arguing for the sake of arguing. It got real old.