Girl Verses Desert Eagle

[DiverRay]

erithanis,
If you make a ride up this way, we COULD go to the range with my Colt. I can show you the CORRECT way to prepare for recoil, and you can see what a .45 feels like!
Just a thought...

[BlkMage]

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is why I like my assault rifles (especially the AK-47). Just tuck into the shoulder and nothing like this even has a CHANCE of happening.

And Ray, the .45s are nice, but nothing compared to, say, 8mm Mouser.

[trbig]

I realize .50 cal's are sweet and shoot a long ways, but that video claims 7500 yds. That's 4 1/4 miles! I'm just not going for that. There has been a confirmed kill at 1.5 miles, but a claim like that, I'd sure have to see it to believe it.

The skeptic.

[planedick]

Check with the Marines.....

The Marines use the .50 cal rifle to kill officers behind the lines all the time and I recall that they claim over 4 miles is common. Can you imagine standing in front of your CO as he explains something to you while you are 3-4 miles behind the lines and his head just suddenly explodes? Do you think you might reconsider some of your thoughts and actions?

[trukleon]

4-5 miles???

I would prefer 10- 25 miles as long as yer get it done boring!!!

[BlkMage]

Re: 4-5 miles???

Originally posted by trukleon
I would prefer 10- 25 miles as long as yer get it done boring!!!

For that kinda range, you would need something more than gunpowder.

Maybe a railgun...

[Guy_b_g]

Planedick,

You may have overestimated some of those shots...

This is the ballistics data from a modern high velocity 22LR round out to 400 yds, (they didn't have rounds this hot when you or I were young). As you can see...with one of the fastest .22 rounds in the game today it would requre (at 125yds) with a rifle zeroed at 200 yds, a holderunder of almost 17in below the target, any breeze would be problematic as a 10mph wind causes a deflection of over 8 inches. The Blacktail Jackrabbit (Lepus californicus) is capable of a 36mph speed, but if he were just cruising along at 20mph, that would require a lead of 9.09 feet becaise of a bullet flight time of .310 sec. With a window of 16-28 inches (the length of the rabbit) and the fact that the rabbit doesn't run at a constant speed or an even gait...getting a bullet into the same space at the same time as the rabbit occupies it (at that range) is a crap shoot.

You may have run into some exceptionally unlucky rabbits.

As a disclaimer... the late Elmer Keith (inventor of the 44mag) who may have been the premier long distance pistol shooter of the 20th century...was credited with killing running a mule deer at 400 yards with his 44 mag..so anything is possible.

By the way..I am retired Army with over 16 years in the Infantry, and was on the 3/5 Cav shooting team in Europe, won or placed in the Kit Carson Days shooting competition for Open Rifle, Lever Rifle, and Trap shooting for 3 years running at Fort Carson, Colorado, and NEVER shot less than expert in 20 years in the military. I also grew up in the Blue Mountains of Eastern Oregon on a ranch, and have lots of hunting stories of my own.

Name: CCI Velocitor 40 grn
Ballistic Coeff: 0.132
Bullet Weight: 40
Velocity: 1435
Target Distance: 200
Scope Height: 1.750
Temperature: 70
Altitude: 500

Ballistic Data
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Range Elevation Velocity Energy ETA Drop Max Y 10mph Wind Deflect
0 yds -1.75 in 1435 fps 183 fpe 0.000 sec 0.00 in -1.75 in 0.00 in
25 yds 3.99 in 1335 fps 158 fpe 0.054 sec 0.56 in -0.56 in 0.38 in
50 yds 8.51 in 1246 fps 138 fpe 0.113 sec 2.33 in -0.08 in 1.41 in
75 yds 11.62 in 1169 fps 121 fpe 0.175 sec 5.51 in 0.78 in 3.16 in
100 yds 13.15 in 1105 fps 109 fpe 0.241 sec 10.28 in 2.12 in 5.58 in
125 yds 12.91 in 1054 fps 99 fpe 0.310 sec 16.81 in 3.98 in 8.62 in
150 yds 10.74 in 1011 fps 91 fpe 0.383 sec 25.28 in 6.43 in 12.22 in
175 yds 6.51 in 975 fps 84 fpe 0.458 sec 35.80 in 9.51 in 16.29 in
200 yds 0.00 in 943 fps 79 fpe 0.537 sec 48.61 in 13.31 in 20.89 in
225 yds -8.84 in 915 fps 74 fpe 0.618 sec 63.74 in 17.84 in 25.92 in
250 yds -20.12 in 889 fps 70 fpe 0.701 sec 81.32 in 23.16 in 31.33 in
275 yds -34.04 in 865 fps 66 fpe 0.786 sec 101.53 in 29.34 in 37.17 in
300 yds -50.80 in 842 fps 63 fpe 0.874 sec 124.58 in 36.45 in 43.48 in
325 yds -70.43 in 821 fps 60 fpe 0.965 sec 150.51 in 44.51 in 50.18 in
350 yds -92.96 in 801 fps 57 fpe 1.057 sec 179.33 in 53.57 in 57.20 in
375 yds -118.73 in 781 fps 54 fpe 1.151 sec 211.40 in 63.72 in 64.65 in
400 yds -147.97 in 763 fps 52 fpe 1.249 sec 246.93 in 75.07 in 72.58 in

[trbig]

A McMillan TAC-50 .50 BMG sniper rifle was used by Canadian Corporal Rob Furlong to bring off the longest-range confirmed sniper kill in history, when he shot a Taliban insurgent at 2,430 metres (2,657 yards/7,972 feet/1.509 miles) during the 2002 campaign in Afghanistan.[

Again... just not going for the 4+ miles. Maybe shot up at a 45 degree angle and this is the estimated extreme distance the bullet would fly under perfect conditions...

Tod

[planedick]

Unlucky wabbits

Guy, And as everyone that knows me will tell you lucky shots, and I agree. I guess after a few thousand rounds you gotta get lucky and hit something. I didn't mention the number of rounds I flung at those "darn wabbits" that just kicked up dust. I used to burn a whole brick on a weekend in the desert and shot at many wabbits only hitting two on the run. Sometimes we would actually catch one just sitting and the boys would ask me to poke a hole in his "radiator" to get him runnin so everyone could "open up on him". Almost all of them got away anyway.

[Guy_b_g]

Planedick,

I hear ya...I've done the same kinda stuff myself with my 2 brothers.

I used to spend all of my allowance money on .22 ammo and go out and shoot grey diggers (ground squirrels) for hours, until they got smart enough not to stick their heads up any more. After a while they'd see me coming and just decide to stay indoors for the afternoon.

We had deer, pheasants, quail, grouse, and doves on the property, along with various "pests"

I once made the mistake of killing a skunk that had been raiding our eggs when our dogs cornered him under the cattle feeder. The feeder was about 75 yards from the house, and I went in and got a shotgun and dispatched him. For a month or so every time the wind changed my dad would ask, "what the hell had I been thinking"....

My dads philosopy was to teach us how to use and respect guns...all the guns in our house were kept loaded, all the time...there was never any doubt if the gun was loaded or not, and the quickest way to get clouted upside the head was to mishandle one.

Guy

[planedick]

Well

The distance thing came from a TV news article during the invasion of Irac. The news showed a video of a Marine shooting a 50 cal long rifle with a scope and the news people remarked that they could shoot someone up to 5 mi away... I have done some real searching about long distance shooting and found this..

Legendary sniper Gunnery Sgt. Carlos N. Hathcock II was the first person to ever use a .50 caliber weapon in a sniping role. Utilizing a .50 caliber Browning HMG with an 8-power telescope sight, he set the record for the farthest confirmed kill by a sniper during the Vietnam War, at 2,250 meters.

This feat of field craft by Sgt. Hathcock established the viability of using .50-caliber ammunition as usable and effective for sniper special operations. Sgt. Hathcock’s record was broken only recently in Afghanistan by a Canadian sniper team. The Canadian snipers scored a chest shot at 2,430 meters using a .50 caliber McMillian bolt-action rifle, with a 16 power Leupold telescope sight.

I remember when I lived in Parker AZ I was discussing guns with a "cajun" from the swamps of LA and he told my my little 22 cal pistol would not shoot 100 yrds no matter how I tried. Wll I had spent lots of time shooting coots in the river at much longer distances than that, so I challenged his statement. He said he would park his VW in the desert and pace off 100 yrds and let me shoot at it all day!!!! Well on the way out to a safe place to shoot I noticed a discarded metal sign about 3' X 2' that said White Gas, Kerosene on it, obviously from another time and I stopped and picked it up. When we got to a good place he parked his bug on a ridge and we went back what he said was 100 yrds and then I went back half that distance again. I had propped up the sign just to the right of his bug and made a deal with him. $50 bucks if I could hit the sigh instead of holes in his bug. He laughed and said OK. Well he had me wondering, so I raised the sight so to shoot just over the sign as he had me believing it would drop some before getting there. I shot just over the sign, but then I noticed a little puff of dirt where the bullet struck on a hill that had to be at least a mile behind the target. I aimed for the center of the sign for the next shot and put the remaining 9 rounds in the center of the sign. I shoved in the second clip and told him that he would give me the $50 now or the next ten would be in his bug. Needless to say he couldn't get that wallet out quick enough. LOL