Just can't stand it anymore

[stoked]

Re: Thou shalt not speak the truth!

Originally posted by Stralya
We had a general election late last year. John Howard not only lost, he lost his own seat. I live in that seat. It's called Benelong. Benelong is 40% Chinese speaking. Our new Prime Minister speaks fluent Chinese. Our new Environment Minister is Peter Garret. You may know him as the singer in Midnight Oil. I kid you not.

Our New Prime Minister is pulling our troops out of Iraq

We have already lost. The loony left is in control. Kiss freedom goodbye.

Dan.
Utterly bewildered.

You know what is strange about it is the left here in the US generally backs radical dictators and terrorists from other countries. They do this and call the people on the right here the "real" terrorist. If they succeed however in completly taking over the government and allowing the "freedom fighters" to take greater control in this country the left will probably be their first victims. I'm looking forward to that.

[planedick]

Hillary's record

You probably won't see this story in your local media anytime soon.
According to Citizens Against Government Waste (CAGW), Hillary
Clinton personally ushered 261 earmarks through Congress this year, nearly 200 more earmarks than the other leading presidential candidates, COMBINED.

Her earmarks include more than $300,000 for the Gay Men's Health Center of New York and $1.5 million for the Abyssinian Development Corporation (ADC), a Harlem-based non-profit whose leader gave her presidential campaign a major endorsement last weekend..

[Special Ed]

"The counrty is already ideologically broken up, why continue to fight over it in Washington. Let's split it up and run each section like that section wants to. Let the chips fall where they may. If you don't like the section you got stuck in move to the one you would.

I beleive there is a certain breaking point when it comes to population where a democracy stops working right." Stoked,

Yea, yea, great idea... break the county up into smaller more manageable units, like states! Or maybe two countries? Seems like some of the states tried that before, but the Union didn't like the idea.
More Americans died during that disagreement than in all the wars fought since then.
I agree whole heartedly, but the world is headed in the opposite direction: North American Union, one world government. How sad.
I'm glad I'm on my way out, but it is happening so quickly that I'm afraid I may actually live to see it.
What's the answer? Lock and load? Eat drink and make merry? How do we fight "The Monster From Jekyl Island?"
E.Liberty

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Hillary's health care plan...

I saw on the news up here in Canada where Hillary Clinton introduced her new health care plan. Something similar to what we have in Canada . I also heard that Michael Moore was raving
about the health care up here in Canada in his latest movie. As your friend and someone who lives with the Canada health care plan I thought I would give you some facts about this great
medical plan that we have in Canada .

First of all:

1) The health care plan in Canada is not free. We pay a premium every month of $96 for Shirley and I to be covered. Sounds great eh. What they don't tell you is how much we pay in
taxes to keep the health care system afloat. I am personally in the 55% tax bracket. Yes 55% of my earnings go to taxes. A large portion of that and I am not sure of the exact amount goes
directly to health care our #1 expense.

2) I would not classify what we have as health care plan, it is more like a health diagnosis system. You can get into to see a doctor quick enough so he can tell you "yes indeed you are sick or you need an operation" but now the challenge becomes getting treated or operated on. We have waiting lists out the ying yang some as much as 2 years down the road.

3) Rather than fix what is wrong with you the usual tactic in Canada is to prescribe drugs. Have a pain here is a drug to take - not what is causing the pain and why. No time for
checking you out because it is more important to move as many patients thru as possible each hour for Government re-imbursement

4) Many Canadians do not have a family Doctor.

5) Don't require emergency treatment as you may wait for hours in the emergency room waiting for treatment.

6) Shirley's dad cut his hand on a power saw a few weeks back and it required that his hand be put in a splint - to our surprise we had to pay $125. for a splint because it is not
covered under health care plus we have to pay $60. for each visit for him to check it out each week.

7) Shirley's cousin was diagnosed with a heart blockage. Put on a waiting list . Died before he could get treatment.

8) Government allots so many operations per year. When that is done no more operations, unless you go to your local newspaper and plead your case and embarrass the government then money suddenly appears.

9)The Government takes great pride in telling us how much more they are increasing the funding for health care but waiting lists never get shorter. Government just keeps throwing
money at the problem but it never goes away. But they are good at finding new ways to tax us, but they don't call it a tax anymore it is now a user fee.

10) A friend needs an operation for a blockage in her leg but because she is a smoker they will not do it. Despite paying into the health care system all these years. My friend is 65 years old. Now there is talk that maybe we should not treat fat and obese people either because they are a drain on the health care system. Let me see now, what we want in Canada is a health
care system for healthy people only. That should reduce our health care costs.

11) Forget getting a second opinion, what you see is what you get.

12) I can spend what money I have left after taxes on booze, cigarettes, junk food and anything else that could kill me but I am not allowed by law to spend my money on getting an operation I need because that would be jumping the queue. I must wait my turn except if I am a hockey player or athlete then I can get looked at right away. Go figger. Where else in the world can you spend money to kill yourself but not allowed to spend money to get healthy.

13) Oh did I mention that immigrants are covered automatically at tax payer expense having never contributed a dollar to the system and pay no premiums.

14) Oh yeh we now give free needles to drug users to try and keep them healthy. Wouldn't want a sickly druggie breaking into your house and stealing your things. But people with diabetes who pay into the health care system have to pay for their needles because it is not covered by the health care system.

I send this out not looking for sympathy but as the election looms in the states you will be hearing more and more about universal health care down there and the advocates will be
pointing to Canada . I just want to make sure that you hear the truth about health care up here and have some food for thought and informed questions to ask when broached with this subject.

Step wisely and don't make the same mistakes we have.

[planedick]

Total turnaround

I do believe that I now want Hillary to be the Democratic choice for the presidential election because....


A GOP ace in the hole?

By Mark Goodman, The Washington Times
January 24, 2008

Beyond the melodrama of Sen. Hillary Clinton's tears-on-her-pillow triumph in New Hampshire and her gaming victory in Nevada lies the profoundly disturbing question of the Clintons ' hidden record of suspected crimes.

It's that very record which likely prompted Sen. John Kerry's sudden endorsement of Sen. Barack Obama just two days after Mrs. Clinton's first primary win, followed by two more supportive votes from ranking congressional Democrats.

Their swift response was a clear sign that ranking Democratic colleagues are determined to derail Mrs. Clinton. Why? Because there exists a vault of information American voters are not aware of concerning the Clintons — information which should have been brought to the nation's attention well before the kickoff of the 2008 presidential campaign.

The bedeviling problem is that party leaders on both sides of the congressional aisle conspired two years ago to bury the telltale documents. I'm referring to the 120 missing pages of the Barrett Report which, by all accounts from Washington insiders, former press secretary Tony Snow among them, contain sufficient evidence of Clinton misdeeds not only to furl Mrs. Clinton's presidential flag but quite possibly to send her and her miscreant husband straight to the courtroom dock. Yet the papers have lain moldering in some deep Capitol Hill tomb with no one daring to dig them up though they can be exhumed on demand by any member of Congress.

How could this happen? Let's go back to January 2006, when the 684-page report was finally released absent the incriminating pages. David Barrett, a Washington lawyer, had been appointed by the D.C. Court of Appeals to investigate allegations of misconduct on the part of Henry Cisneros, President Clinton's Secretary of Housing and Urban Development. Mr. Barrett then spent nine frustrating years watching his inquiry blocked at every turn by the IRS, the Justice Department and Clinton attorneys.

Ironically, the detours led him into a thicket of apparent Clinton crimes and misdemeanors largely revolving around the misuse of the IRS and Justice Department to punish their enemies — abuses that apparently persisted even after Bill Clinton's term of office ended in 2000. Before Mr. Barrett could release the report, three Democrats, Mr. Kerry, Sen. Dick Durbin and Sen. Byron Dorgan, North Dakota Democrat, managed to redact the potentially damaging pages by attaching a rider to an unrelated appropriations bill. Furious, Mr. Barrett issued a statement saying, "An accurate title for the report would be, 'What We Were Prevented from Investigating.' "

What indeed. The papers must have been devastating. Why grasp at the desperate straw of redaction? Still, the Democrats had to realize they were merely buying time. Suppressed evidence cannot remain suppressed forever and the Republicans are well aware of the wild card they have in the hole. Odds are that's why no Republican congressman has as yet unearthed the missing pages: The Republicans are banking on Mrs. Clinton, the scenario goes, to win the Democratic nomination so they can bake her in Mr. Barrett's oven in the election campaign.

If there is any doubt about Democratic fears, witness the timing of Mr. Kerry's lightning sweep into South Carolina to trumpet his support for Mr. Obama. It's fair to conclude from this that Mr. Kerry, the party's premier spokesman as well as the principal sponsor of the redaction rider, threw his weight behind Mr. Obama at this pivotal moment because he knows, better than anyone else, where the lethal poppy fields lie along Mrs. Clinton's winding yellow-brick road.

On cue, California 's Rep. George Miller, a 33-year Democratic veteran of the House and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's devoted confidante, quickly echoed Mr. Kerry's support for Mr. Obama. Next, Vermont Sen. Patrick Leahy, a 33-year veteran of the Senate, rang in with his Obama endorsement. So, the picture sharpens into focus: The Democratic establishment, which considered it too risky to put its chips on Mr. Obama in 2006, plainly reckons that it need not — indeed dare not — gamble any further on Mrs. Clinton in 2008.

The Clintons do not suffer rejection gladly. The collective rebuke Mrs. Clinton sustained surely explains why, as Mr. Clinton ratcheted up his Obama-bashing in South Carolina on Monday, she followed in the evening's debate by cross-examining her worthy national rival as if he were an unworthy county defendant. It seemed poor local politics to beat up in open forum on a black opponent in a state filled with black Democrats; backroom bets say she was letting her colleagues know, before a television audience, that their preferred candidate was in for a nasty 15 rounds.

The long view is that Mrs. Clinton and her loose-cannon regent have slid by far too long on foul play aided by diminished expectations (they're supposed to be ruthless). Now they're pointed on a collision course with political disaster. It's therefore time for Mr. Kerry and his Democratic colleagues to redress their misbegotten rescue of two years ago by opening up the concealed evidence on the Clintons for inspection by American voters.

[planedick]

GOP helping Hillary....

Host Bill Maher: "I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but it does strike me odd that Barack Obama was up so much in New Hampshire one day before and that the exit polls, a lot of them say that people still voted for him as the winner.... You know, in crime they always ask cui bono, ‘who profits?’ Who profits from the Hillary victory? They don’t want to run against Obama. Your party does not want to run against him. They want to run against Hillary Clinton and now they have a race with her in it."
Former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow: "So, Republicans are throwing the election to Hillary Clinton?"
Maher: "Well, they’ve done that before....They did it to Ed Muskie."
— Exchange on HBO’s Real Time, January 11.

I wouldn't want anyone to think that their vote actually counted...

[vanhump]

I served 1959 to 1962. Have been a policeman. a rescuesquadsman... a fireman. Have slept in fox holes. arrested some pretty mean sob's. have saved several lives and propertys. I do not like Hillary and voted for George Bush twice. Any body that has the gonads to have accomplished what I have speak up, The rest of you keep your Chicken s mouths shut.

[justinhenry]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWfIhFhelm8

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Originally posted by vanhump
I served 1959 to 1962. Have been a policeman. a rescuesquadsman... a fireman. Have slept in fox holes. arrested some pretty mean sob's. have saved several lives and propertys. I do not like Hillary and voted for George Bush twice. Any body that has the gonads to have accomplished what I have speak up, The rest of you keep your Chicken s mouths shut.

why you gotta associate chicken ****s with Hillary? haha just kidding, don't kick my ass man. Vanhump's got a point though. The only men I've ever heard supporting Hillary where either metro sexual or the other sexual. And just for the record I served by mandatory 4 years also. But after that I had to make some money.

[trbig]

"Any body that has the gonads to have accomplished what I have speak up, The rest of you keep your Chicken s mouths shut."


So you were a fireman, a policeman, and you served your country. Though I applaud you for this, how do you justify that your choice of employment/accomplishments somehow makes your opinion more meaningfull or more correct than others'? If I, as a veteran and an E.M.T for many years, voted for someone other than Bush, or happen to like Hillary's ideas, does you being a policeman trump my opinion? If two veterans leaving the service both go into work as firmen, and one likes Ron Paul, and one likes Hillary, how do you decide who's more right based on your merit system if both are equal in accomplishments? And what of Wildkat? She served faithfully in the military, yet sadly, has no gonads at all. Shall she remain silent in her opinions?

If you have facts to discuss or an opinion to state in a sensible way, we'd love for you to share it in a friendly way, but please leave out the name calling. Thanks.

Tod

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Name callin'...

I agree with Tod. I started this "political" thread just after another good one was closed for the name calling reason. If you're gonna make statements in the political arena, you gotta have your facts straight or the media will 'get you' and if you resort to name calling the whole world will turn on you. I think it's best to state your case, moe importantly listen to others, and with any luck at all, LEARN. Our only method of judgement is history, which is probably not the best...


The higher you make your pedestal, the more likely there will be others who want to knock it down.

[prometheus578]

Yeah... what of it?"

I too, spent many years in the Legion... XVI, to be exact.
First as a common Legionary, then as an Optio.
Grew tired of playing Praetorian Guard for the Emperor...
"Invade this nation..."
"Slaughter those peoples..."
"We must destroy them before they attack us... they have 'Swords of Maximum Devastation..."(yet only javelins were found)

The Emperor is quite mad, you know... as are the Senators and Consuls vying for his position.

It would be nice if we could return to the government decreed by Romulus.
The physician, Paulus, has many ideas...
"Quit campaigning against the barbarians..."
"Bring the cohorts back home..."
"We are overextended... look what happened to Sparta..."

A nobler man would be hard to find.


(TRBIG, you should really get WildKat's permission first, before talking publicly about her medical conditions)

[planedick]

Never ceases to amaze....

Prom did it again.... Hit the button so hard it makes me ROTFLMAO....

[madmax-im]

I'm Gonna Frame That One !

+1 to Prom...

[fredintoon]

This should be from the JOTD thread but I think the man was being serious.
Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) concerning the President:-
"Well, I really think he shatters the myth of white supremacy once and for all."