Just can't stand it anymore

[trbig]

It's as simple as "A" or "B"....

[madmax-im]

now you know

planedick...I am not a fan of Hillary Clinton,,, however the way you hate and despise her is exactly the feeling I have had for the past 8 yrs with George Bush and his henchmen...For all the "bad" things Bill Clinton has done (as were listed as a matter of public record)they all pale in comparison to what George Bush and Dick Cheney have done..to us ...our country..and the rest of the world...I could problably go to the public records and find just as many and more irregeularities and illeagalties with George Bush and Dick Cheney...but there is no need to...cuz I believe 90% of the ppl out there KNOW Clinton was an Angel compared to Bush...ok I dont expect you to agree as i dont particularly agree with your assertions...just stating my feeling in reaction to what you said.

[madmax-im]

What is more important here are the principles that are being employed in politics today...and for quite some time...The idea that the will of The People is just thrown by the side of the road as politicians and corporate greedies get richer and more powerful everyday.Thats why my job got shipped the COMMUNIST CHINA...it wasn't the greatest paying job but $27k a year was too much to pay an American worker...to do a skilled job...now the person(s)that are doing my job are problably earning $270 per yr!And they couldn't give a F### abt skill or quality...after all we are essentially their enemy and they will keep trying to kill us with their toxic consumer products.BTW our wonderful Gov"t doesnt seem to know or care how to control the situation because they are getting kickbacks from corporate lobbyists...What makes me sick ..just think abt this....How much money are we wasting in Iraq every month?Not sure exactly but it is in the BILLIONS! If our Gov't were to take that amt spent in one month and they gave every man,woman,and child in this country 2 Million dollars they woud not only have money leftover,but they would STILL have more than enough $ to take care of all our other issues and needs as a country.Yeah I must be smokin something cuz thats just a pipedream LOL.....

[planedick]

Don't like 'em either..

Mad max, I am not a fan of G Bush either or any other politician I can think of. I did like John Kennedy, but not the rest of the clan and kinda liked Teflon Ronnie. I want a government that will close the border, leave the rest of the world alone within reason as long as they don't threaten us and stop giving our money to foriegn governments.

[skippy344]

Who served and who didn't

DEMOCRATS WHO SERVED:

* Jim Webb, U.S. Senator from Virginia -- rifle platoon and company commander with the Fifth Marine Regiment in the An Hoa Basin west of Danang; was awarded the Navy Cross, the Silver Star Medal, two Bronze Star Medals, and two Purple Hearts.

* Representative Jack Murtha (D-PA) - distinguished 37-year career in the U.S. Marine Corps, Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts, retired from the Marine Corps Reserve as a colonel in 1990.

* Representative Richard Gephardt, former House Minority Leader - Missouri Air National Guard, 1965-71.

* Representative David Bonior - Staff Sgt., United States Air Force 1968-72

* Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle - 1st Lt., U.S. Air Force SAC 1969-72

* Former President Jimmy Carter, most recent recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize, seven years in the Navy. "Except for his fellow service-academy graduate Dwight Eisenhower, no President of the twentieth century spent more years in uniform than Carter." (New Yorker Magazine)

* Former Presidential Nominee Mike Dukakis - United States Army, 1955-'57 (1)

* Former Vice President Al Gore - enlisted August 1969; sent to Vietnam January 1971 as an army journalist, assigned to the 20th Engineer Brigade headquartered at Bien Hoa, an airbase twenty miles northeast of SaigonProminent Republicans

* Chuck Robb, US Senator from Virginia, served in Vietnam

* George McGovern, famous liberal, awarded Silver Star & DFC, dozens of missions during WWII.

REPUBLICAN CHICKENHAWKS:

* Former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve.

* Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve.

* Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve . "So many minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like himself."

* Majority Whip Mitch McConnell, R-KY - did not serve

* Former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott - avoided the draft, did not serve.

# Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve (1), too busy being a Republican.

# Former Speaker Newt Gingrich - avoided the draft, did not serve (1, 2)

* George Will, did not serve * Chris Matthews, Mediawhore, did not serve. * Bill O'Reilly, did not serve * Paul Gigot, did not serve. * Bill Bennett, Did not serve * Pat Buchanan, did not serve * Rush Limbaugh, did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst' [see "The Rush Limbaugh Story" by Paul D. Colford, St. Martin's Press, 1993, Chapter 2: Beating the Draft.]) * Michael Savage (aka Michael Alan Weiner) - did not serve, too busy chasing herbs and botany degrees in Hawaii and Fiji * John Wayne, did not serve * Pat Robertson - claimed during 1986 campaign to be a "combat veteran." In reality, was a "Liquor Officer." * Bill Kristol, did not serve * Sean Hannity, did not serve. * Kenneth Starr, did not serve * Antonin Scalia, did not serve * Clarence Thomas, did not serve * Ralph Reed, did not serve * Michael Medved, did not serve * Charlie Daniels, did not serve

[TADracer]

I usually stay away from political and religious topics since they are the best way to break up a friendship or a marriage (remember that next time you want out of a marriage). But the list of 'candidates' we usually have to pick from is pittiful at best.

Still, dont let any of this bother you because the president, while a very powerful figure, does not run the country as most believe. Instead, the president just governs the nation much like a governor governs a state. He can't make law or even interpret the law, he can only enact law. He can issue an executive order but that goes only so far. He can't force congress to do anything, he can only tell them to get to work. He cant make the Supreme Court do anything, he can only follow their rulings.

So who really runs the country? Congress runs the country!

Usually after a new president is innagurated he has a meeting with the leaders of both houses of congress. This is not a nice little get aquainted tea or anything....it is when the leaders of congress tell the new president face to face how it is going to be!

The scary thing about Hillary is that we have over half of congress made up of elected officials with socialist tendencies just like her! So her face to face meeting is going to be more like a planning session on how to further open our borders, socialize our medicine, penalize our business, weaken our national defense, tax our workers and distribute our wealth.

Now, I have had enough of the Bush'es but frankly, I have had enough of the Clinton's too. Its time for someone else....anyone else!

[stoked]

Elect me. I'm a socialist conservative. You can't beat that. I'll close the border to illegals, tax the **** out of companies off shoring jobs and run tarrifs high enough to make sure we make our own food and manufactured goods here at home, and finally require every household have at least one assault weapon for defense. I will cut off all the bull**** aid we give to countries that hate us and take all the money we spend in Iraq and use it to build the scariest military the world has ever seen that just sits here at home and waits for someone to jack with us.

Ye, our poor may only be able to have one big screen TV in their household under my administration, and our executives may have to give up a couple of their summer homes due to their lower bonuses not being able to use slave labor overseas. But we will be a stronger country.

No one will hate us for getting in their business, no one will jack with us out of fear of complete annihilation.

[planedick]

Stoked

Yeah man, just what I want too. As for the military, no need to go to another country to kick their a**. Those new model airplanes are really cool, and controlled from far far away. I do believe we must have bases close to most everywhere to be effective or we have no place to launch them from. I would vote for you....

[jetmechmarty]

I avoid these threads like the plague. This one didn't clue me in until I opened it.

I may be alone in my opinion, but I wish these threads weren't here. They seem to never fail to hurt some one.

I won't return here to look for replies. I'll turn on Rush when I'm in the mood for it.

I'll avoid religion on this board as well.

[planedick]

I believe

No one can hurt me but me and I aint gonna allow that.

[stoked]

lol, people get pationate about politics. Just ask my Mom. She hates my guts because I made fun of Jimmy Carter. Come one Mom that was like 30 years ago.

[trbig]

No one will hate us for getting in their business

That's just the deal. When we go help, they hate us for being there. If we stayed home, they'd hate us because we didn't go. I'm like you though... if they are going to hate us either way, lets just stay home and save some money! lol.

I know that's not really an option, and who knows what the real answer is. I just keep hoping we don't get someone who thinks one of the answers is to push the little red button, plug their ears, and watch a desert turn into a big glowing glass bowl.


Tod

[planedick]

Just for us...

TADracer has it right. The candidates always say what they are gonna do which is usually wishful thinking. In this case though, we have a Democratic majority in congress and we must, at all costs, have a Republican President for any kind of control at all. If we get a Democratic President all kinds of sh** will take place that none of us will like. The Presidential veto is the only real power the President has outsice of military and foriegn affairs. We just gotta keep a Republican President for any kind of control over our own affairs. Just my humble opinion.

[tomatao]

Perhaps for the election year we can get a new forum just for politics. Then we can have a specific place to go and discuss the issues within the already stated rules of the site.

Just a thought...

[madmax-im]

Originally posted by tomatao
Perhaps for the election year we can get a new forum just for politics. Then we can have a specific place to go and discuss the issues within the already stated rules of the site.

Just a thought...

Well,it still would adhere to being a public domain therfore it would still have to be listed for all to see ...so whats the difference to that and the Off Topic forum?