How many guns do you own? POLL

[Pat Kelly]

I find it interesting that gangs go to war over turf they don't even own.

[malber]

Originally posted by Pat Kelly
I find it interesting that gangs go to war over turf they don't even own.

Kind of like the US in Iraq?

[Crazcnuk]

Wayne, waqs talkig about the rest, not the story.

MRO

Taken the other way, if we are no safer with far less guns in circulation, then neither are you with lots more guns in play!

And While we may or may not be safer from crime, far less of our kids are dieing from finding daddy's loaded handgun in the nightstand.

The problem is, where do criminals get thier guns? Buy them in the store? lol

No, they steal them from law abiding citizens, or psuedo ones at least. So if there were less around to steal, they would have less too. The only reason gun crime is as high in Canada, as it is, is because guns are coming up here from the US.

You see you can't just think of yourselves, you have to think of your neighbors too.

[Meatloaf]

Wow. I just reviewed this thread. I can't believe the "N" word slipped into this thread earlier on without anyone noticing. It was subtle and quick but it's there.

Seriously man, now we've got racists in here? Too much.

[Meatloaf]

Originally posted by Crazcnuk
I just love that I love in a country that knows that pretty much everything Maxi just said is utter crap.

Although I suspect you and I share similar viewpoints on a lot of stuff, I think it strains credibility when one makes such blanket statements.

Personally, I can't claim to speak for 30 million people. I can speak for myself and my wife (3 weeks out of every month).

[mason79]

i saw it too, the n word, the world cannot change, people will have their opinons, i was wondering if it breaks any of rule here in this site to hate a certain group.

oh well


i was wondering if i would be legal to carry my 357 on a holster empty, since it is not concealed, just for a holloween prank.

[malber]

I'm under no illusions that mandatory federal registration and regulation would eliminate violent crime. Violent crime does just fine without firearms. Just ask the victims of Richard Ramirez. One of my co-workers was murdered by the boyfriend of her daughter with a baseball bat and a kitchen knife.

But I do believe that mandatory federal registration will have benefits for law enforcement. We already have a national fingerprint database. How about one for firearms? That way if a crime is committed with a gun and a bullet is fired, the original legal purchaser could be easily identified making tracking the weapon that much easier. (Yes, I know this would be worthless for crimes committed with a shotgun.) It would also allow law enforcement to prosecute for possession without registration when all other charges may fail. Law abiding citizens already have no problem with having to get a license to drive, why have a problem with having a license to posses a firearm? Our rights to bear arms are already restricted: you can't stockpile. See Branch Davidian and Ruby Ridge for examples.

[olebiker]

Originally posted by malber
I'm under no illusions that mandatory federal registration and regulation would eliminate violent crime. Violent crime does just fine without firearms. Just ask the victims of Richard Ramirez. One of my co-workers was murdered by the boyfriend of her daughter with a baseball bat and a kitchen knife.

But I do believe that mandatory federal registration will have benefits for law enforcement. We already have a national fingerprint database. How about one for firearms? That way if a crime is committed with a gun and a bullet is fired, the original legal purchaser could be easily identified making tracking the weapon that much easier. (Yes, I know this would be worthless for crimes committed with a shotgun.) It would also allow law enforcement to prosecute for possession without registration when all other charges may fail. Law abiding citizens already have no problem with having to get a license to drive, why have a problem with having a license to posses a firearm? Our rights to bear arms are already restricted: you can't stockpile. See Branch Davidian and Ruby Ridge for examples.

What you are talking about is what we have in Canada and it does not work.

[malber]

Originally posted by olebiker


What you are talking about is what we have in Canada and it does not work.

Likely because, as another poster pointed out, guns are under-regulated in the US.

[fredintoon]

Regulated schmegulated

"Likely because, as another poster pointed out, guns are under-regulated in the US."

Yeah, right. Every gun-toting teenage gangster in Canada is high as a kite on some mind-altering substance and perhaps half of that comes in across the US border despite the billions the DEA have poured down the federal toilet in their "War on Drugs" Did those dumfux learn nothing from prohibition? If there's a market for anything, be it handguns & drugs in North America or Scotch in Saudi Arabia, banning it only drives up the price, lowers the quality controls and strengthens organized crime.

[trbig]

Likely because, as another poster pointed out, guns are under-regulated in the US.

Exactly! Because as a responsible gun owner, I wish so bad that the government could step in and tell me what type of firearm it's ok to own.. along with how many rounds it can hold, what instances I can carry it, when I can shoot it.. .etc. I wish they'd just come out and hold my hand while I hunt and carry the firearm for me... maybe get a government employee to shoot at what I just point to?

Yeah... that'd be awesome.... We need more government control in EVERY aspect of our lives!!


Tod

[olebiker]

Re: Regulated schmegulated

Originally posted by fredintoon
"Likely because, as another poster pointed out, guns are under-regulated in the US."

Yeah, right. Every gun-toting teenage gangster in Canada is high as a kite on some mind-altering substance and perhaps half of that comes in across the US border despite the billions the DEA have poured down the federal toilet in their "War on Drugs" Did those dumfux learn nothing from prohibition? If there's a market for anything, be it handguns & drugs in North America or Scotch in Saudi Arabia, banning it only drives up the price, lowers the quality controls and strengthens organized crime.

That is the absolute truth.

[malber]

Originally posted by trbig


Exactly! Because as a responsible gun owner, I wish so bad that the government could step in and tell me what type of firearm it's ok to own.. along with how many rounds it can hold, what instances I can carry it, when I can shoot it.. .etc. I wish they'd just come out and hold my hand while I hunt and carry the firearm for me... maybe get a government employee to shoot at what I just point to?

Yeah... that'd be awesome.... We need more government control in EVERY aspect of our lives!!


Tod

Don't they already do this? The assault weapons ban only expired a couple of years ago, but you still can't go fully automatic with many guns and magazine capacity is already restricted. Many jurisdictions have restrictions on concealed carry. And you can't go just anywhere and pop off a couple of rounds.

[MAXIMAN]

Originally posted by Crazcnuk
I just love that I love in a country that knows that pretty much everything Maxi just said is utter crap.

What hell does that mean? What happened to Terry Ingmire is matter of public record. And darn near every one in the State of Oklahoma is aware of it.

So answer...what does that mean what I just said is utter crap?

[MAXIMAN]

Originally posted by Crazcnuk
No, they steal them from law abiding citizens, or psuedo ones at least. So if there were less around to steal, they would have less too. The only reason gun crime is as high in Canada, as it is, is because guns are coming up here from the US.

DOH! that's the point. They have no regard for laws...so they'll get them anyway. Geesh ...the lack of debating skills around here is staggering.

As far this rest being crap...actually I'm begging to think that is what rests between your ears ......No seriously.

I will add this. The United States is the last bastion of Freedom for Gun Ownership. That fact WILL NOT be infringed upon in this nation. Their are simply WAY too many people that will fight to the death defending what our Constitution ensures us. And that amendment (2nd) will likely never be abolished at least in the next 50 or 100 years. So get it over it Crazcanuk. All your crying about the "unrefined rednecks" to your south will never cahneg a thing.

The truth is the Composer of our Constitution was the biggest proponent of the armed citizen. And even he said it wasn't to put food on the table or defend our homes from criminals. But it was to KILL TYRRANTS!!! Period!

Of course TJ articulated this a bit more eloquently than Maximan just did...actually he said "It is imperative that the right of the people to bear arms not be infringed such that they have a recourse against tyrrany."

We can set here all day long vomit out statistics of gun safety or crime rates or any other BS to defend our positions on firearm ownership. But Mike O'Connor is "dead nut on".

The firearms debate in the US and mostly the rest of the world has to do with tyranny. If the government...any government... can sieze most all the weapons then the people have very little recourse with said government should it go full tilt down the path of tyranny. If the government takes your ability to fight them with any effectiveness (read firearms) then you have become their "b!tch".

It appears to me our neighbors to the north are now the "b!tches" of their gutless socialist government. And Apparently our siblings down under have suffered the same fate. Too bad.