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  • Artic_rider
    Truly XSive
    • Apr 2005
    • 130
    • Grande Prairie, AB

    #1

    Diaphram Needle

    okay, so I am not too sure what I have managed to screw up, so I will let you guys have a crack at it. In the middle of doing the ol carb rebuild. Pulled out the diaphram, and pulled it apart, taking the needle and spring out for a cleaning.When I put it back together though, I can not get any movment from that needle once the little face plate is screwed down inside the diaphram. I checked out clymers, just to see if I might have messed up the order of the parts or something, but seriously the diagram sucks. has anyone ever experianced this problem...or have a better carb diagram, that i can check out...


    Artic
    80' Xs eleven special "The Tank"
  • Ken Talbot
    XS-XJ Super Guru
    • Jun 2002
    • 4251
    • Revelstoke, BC

    #2
    Needle with its circlip goes down the hole first, spring sits over the top of the needle shaft, plate sits down top of spring, teeny screws hold plate in place.....
    Ken Talbot

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    • Artic_rider
      Truly XSive
      • Apr 2005
      • 130
      • Grande Prairie, AB

      #3
      Now is the time to use a cutting torch right ken? I think that is how I have em set up, but I am going to triple check. Thanks bud
      80' Xs eleven special "The Tank"

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      • Do Lee
        XStremely XSive
        • Feb 2003
        • 254
        • Victoria, Texas

        #4
        Here's a picture showing assembly of the carb.
        hope this helps.
        Do'Lee
        XS1100SF "Green Hornet"
        (1) XS1100LG "Midnight Dream" Restoration has begun.
        (2) XS1100LG "Midnight Madness" Waiting to be next
        (5) multi partsters for bobber "Ruby Red II" On the list.
        SR500H "Silver Streak"

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        • Artic_rider
          Truly XSive
          • Apr 2005
          • 130
          • Grande Prairie, AB

          #5
          thanks for the diagram...bout as good as clymers...anyways you forgot to mention the little rubber o ring or whatever, that has a small little ("tit" for lack of better terms) that fits into the hole right beside where the needle goes through...line the tit up to the hole, and presto, I feel like an idiot for not noticing it in the first place, yet very happy that the online family is always there.
          80' Xs eleven special "The Tank"

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          • Ken Talbot
            XS-XJ Super Guru
            • Jun 2002
            • 4251
            • Revelstoke, BC

            #6
            Diagrams of diaphragm

            Diagrams, we don't need no steenkin' diagrams when we got photos:

            Here's all the little bits, showing the plastic alignment nub (tit)


            that needs to fit into the hole way down here


            Put the washer on the end of the needle, then drop it down into the slide:


            Add the spring:


            Next come the tricky part - when you try to drop the plate on top of the spring and get the screws started without it all coming out of alignment.

            I've found that a small magnetic pick-up tool works very well for this:


            It will hold the screws in place, sticking through the plate as you lower the works down into the slide:


            Finally, press down with the pick-up tool to compress the spring, and slide your screwdriver along next to the shaft to drive the screws:


            Piece of cake, eh?
            Ken Talbot

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            • Artic_rider
              Truly XSive
              • Apr 2005
              • 130
              • Grande Prairie, AB

              #7
              great images there ken...figured it out, andi am sure it will help others out too
              80' Xs eleven special "The Tank"

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              • jacksf
                Truly XSive
                • Jul 2002
                • 193
                • Daly City, CA

                #8
                Its amazing, you guys answer questions before I even ask them.

                Was wondering how to do this and...bidda boom... heres the answer.

                One other carb question without starting another carb thread:

                Can individual carbs be taken off the rack, cleaned and replaced before going onto the next carb? Don't want to mess up alignment or anything.

                Thanks

                Jack
                82 XJ100J Gone
                83 XJ750 Seca

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                • Ken Talbot
                  XS-XJ Super Guru
                  • Jun 2002
                  • 4251
                  • Revelstoke, BC

                  #9
                  As soon as you remove one, you're going to mess up the alignment anyways, so I wouldn't worry too much. Of course, the choke rod has to come off first, but you can actually use it later to help get the carbs back into alignment when you start reassembly.
                  Ken Talbot

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                  • prometheus578
                    XS-XJ Super Guru (RESIGNED)
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 4012
                    • Olympia , Wa.

                    #10
                    Again, as I've always said, when it comes to detailed photos... Ken's the man!

                    Nothing warms a mechanic's heart more than looking at photos of...
                    showing the plastic alignment nub (tit)
                    Even those California women with their plastic nubs.
                    Ok, I apologize. But you knew someone was gonna comment like this, might as well have been me.
                    "Damn it Jim, I'm a doctor, not a mechanic!' ('Bones' McCoy)

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                    • GNEPIG
                      XS-XJ Guru
                      • Apr 2005
                      • 1647
                      • fl

                      #11
                      .. TIT?!.. did somone say tit?., i got tit's laying around all over the garage,. didnt know they were called tit's, i'll be heading back out to the garage now
                      ..what a fun word

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                      • DeanR
                        XS-XJ Guru
                        • Jan 2005
                        • 1481
                        • Finger Lakes NY

                        #12
                        Ken, Great pics as usual. So helpful. Looking forward to more upcoming visuals, namely the videos that folks are hopefully working on!
                        80 SG
                        81 SH in parts
                        99 ST1100
                        91 ST1100

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