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  • Left side crank seal replacement/no case splitting

    So here's the skinny. After reading all the info out there on the 'proper' way to replace a leaking left crank seal, i decided to try to do it with the motor still in the bike. I then went to my local yamaha dealer and bought the LAST AVAILABLE left seal(with lip) and took it to a bearing shop to find a match. The part # for the lipless seal is TCM 32x48x7tc. Now for the hard part:



    Remove the left cover and timing components. Make sure to etch the timing wheel at the marker with a sharpie to ensure proper reassembly. Do the same with the 2 large screws securing the round mounting block. After all the components are set aside, you should be able to see the seal. The seal is basically a thin metal frame coated in rubber. I used a razor knife/very small needle nose pliers for the next step. As much of the rubber as possible must be cut away and pulled off. The rubber between the seal and the crankcase is most important. Be patient, this step took me a couple of hours. Removing the rubber will provide some much needed wiggle room. After the metal on the seal is exposed, I used a very small flat screwdriver to pry the seal out. I then cleaned out the area thoroughly and left it to dry. After it was all clean and dry, I put a THIN coat of gasket sealer on the outside perimeter of the new seal and used a 1 1/4 inch socket to press the new seal on. Make sure the inner portion of the seal is seated correctly. Reassemble your components and give the sealant time to set up. This method was effective and I accomplished the task in an afternoon, which was important because my '79F is my only bike, and even in the winter, Texas affords us riding days every few weeks. Good luck!
    79 xs1100F
    75K and counting...
    76k...
    79k...
    80k...
    86k...

  • #2
    Nice job, and great info!

    Thanks. It's contributions like this that makes this such a great forum!!
    Rick
    '80 SG
    '88 FXR
    '66 Spitfire MK II

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    • #3
      Let us know later how it worked out. I have a Friend that tried this and it leaked. He wanted me to split his cases last summer. If this works I'll pass it on.
      "We are often so caught up in our destination that we forget to appreciate the journey." "

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      • #4
        Portero,

        used a 1 1/4 inch socket to press the new seal on.
        By "press" do you mean that you used the timing plate bolt, turning it to press the socket and drive the seal?

        or, did you just tap it in?

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        • #5
          Hey Portero,
          I was also wondering, along with putting sealer on the outside rim where it seals against the cases, did you also put a thin film of oil on the crankshaft contact side to facilitate it sliding on/over the crankshaft where it eventually will make continuous contact as the crank spins?!

          But, yes, great work on this. IF you happened to take any photos while you did this, you could send them to me and then I can put the whole thing up as an actual tech tip!
          topcatgr@cox.net is my email addy!
          T.C.
          T. C. Gresham
          81SH "Godzilla" . . .1179cc super-rat.
          79SF "The Teacher" . . .basket case!
          History shows again and again,
          How nature points out the folly of men!

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          • #6
            Well, I'm still riding with my fingers crossed, hoping it seals long term. I have about 90 miles on it so far, at varying rpm's, and its still solid. As far as the 1 1/4 inch socket, i pressed it in with my hand. The socket ensured consistent/even pressure. And the crank surface itself was still a bit greasy-I did'nt feel the need to coat it further. Y'all will be the first to know if it leaks, of course. Sorry, i have no pics of the process, and would be clueless about uploading them even if i did! Happy riding, my bike's a beast!
            79 xs1100F
            75K and counting...
            76k...
            79k...
            80k...
            86k...

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            • #7
              portero,

              There's no reason it shouldn't hold as long as you don't have any problems with your crancase vent. Normally there's no pressure at that seal.

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              • #8
                Randy-speaking of the crakcase vent, where exactly is that? Sounds like a good thing to check. I lost my clymer manual a while back and have felt a bit lost ever since.
                79 xs1100F
                75K and counting...
                76k...
                79k...
                80k...
                86k...

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                • #9
                  It's that fat-ass hose below the carbs, leads to the air box.

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                  • #10
                    Mine leaked. The vent was OK. I split the cases and replaced the seal with the original yamaha new one. It leaked. The vent was OK. I changed the oil from semi to mineral, now it leaks a bit less. No biggie, a few drops now and then....

                    LP
                    If it doesn't have an engine, it's not a sport, it's only a game.
                    (stole that one from I-dont-know-who)

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                    • #11
                      Strom, I've always put the new seals including cam plugs in dry with no sealer. Maybe the sealer made it leak?
                      "We are often so caught up in our destination that we forget to appreciate the journey." "

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                      • #12
                        Leaks in the middle... the shaft side, not the case side.

                        LP
                        If it doesn't have an engine, it's not a sport, it's only a game.
                        (stole that one from I-dont-know-who)

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                        • #13
                          Hey Strom,

                          I know on some auto crank shaft seal jobs, sometimes a person had to get a new sleeve to put around the crankshaft, cause the old seal wore a slight groove in the shaft, causing it to not seal as tightly against the seal. SO a new sleeve gave a new flat surface for the new seal to press against and seal properly!
                          T.C.
                          T. C. Gresham
                          81SH "Godzilla" . . .1179cc super-rat.
                          79SF "The Teacher" . . .basket case!
                          History shows again and again,
                          How nature points out the folly of men!

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                          • #14
                            Speedy sleeve

                            CR Seals, the makers of Speedy Sleeve, may have a replacement seal and sleeve kit available. Now that we has a P/N and the dimensions for the left side seal, then it can possibly be cross referenced to a CR P/N. Anybody here work in an auto parts store, or have a buddy that does?

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                            • #15
                              No visible groove.. or that I could feel. These seals dont have such small tolerances.... The oil leak is not even worth mentioning, but its there.
                              Anyway, I thaught bout sleeves and stuff. But the bottom of the engine block was pretty banged up at one time (left bottom part is... glued/welded/something together, oil pan had a big hole in the center that was cold-welded and stuffed with silicone (didn't touch it since it didn't leak when I got the bike),....
                              Not the best looking engine. When it will be in need of another major work, I'll probbably replace the whole engine and keep this one for parts. A guy I know has a whole spare engine with 13k on it and full service history. I think it's a 80 or 81, but it's 2h9.
                              I'm sorta cashless right now, so... maybe next year. He has a seat and a gas tank I want... and rear shocks and wheels and...
                              It'll be hard to buy all this stuff from him, since he "needs" it for his 79F he keeps in his living room

                              LP
                              If it doesn't have an engine, it's not a sport, it's only a game.
                              (stole that one from I-dont-know-who)

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