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  • aquamantx
    Truly XSive
    • Aug 2015
    • 198
    • Montgomery, TX

    #31
    if I compress the piston where i feel pressure on my finger it will return. if I remove my finger it sticks.
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    • DEEBS11
      XS-XJ Guru
      • Feb 2023
      • 1477
      • Connecticut

      #32
      Something must be backwards like the return spring or the seal. The cylinder may need to be honed. Most do. There often is a very thin washer that covers small holes drilled in the metal part of the piston. This is the check valve and must also be installed correctly.


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      • Radioguylogs
        XS-XJ Guru
        • Nov 2012
        • 1950
        • Presque Isle, MI

        #33
        I've had cases where the piston sticks when I am trying to bleed the brakes, but it was OK once I manage to get it bled.

        The condition was worse if I push the piston in all the way. When it happens, I have had progress by only pumping the piston halfway in the MC repeatedly

        Maybe you are OK?
        -Mike
        _________
        '79 XS1100SF 20k miles
        '80 XS1100SG 44k miles
        '81 XS1100H Venturer 35k miles
        '79 XS750SF 17k miles
        '85 Honda V65 Magna ~7k miles
        '84 Honda V65 Magna 48k miles (parts bike)
        '86 Yamaha VMAX 9k miles

        Previous: '68 Motoguzzi 600cc + '79 XS750SF 22k miles +'84 Honda V65

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        • bikerphil
          Master of XSology
          • Jan 2008
          • 8668
          • South Flori-DUH

          #34
          I think you should be OK too, I've had them stick a little at first, now that I think about it. The rubber needs to flex a bit and break in, it is very tough rubber as you know. Once on the bike and properly bled, the piston will never exceed halfway travel anyway.
          2H7 (79) owned since '89
          3H3 owned since '06

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          • aquamantx
            Truly XSive
            • Aug 2015
            • 198
            • Montgomery, TX

            #35
            Even if the cylinder looks really clean, should it still ne honed?
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            • Radioguylogs
              XS-XJ Guru
              • Nov 2012
              • 1950
              • Presque Isle, MI

              #36
              Originally posted by aquamantx
              Even if the cylinder looks really clean, should it still ne honed?
              I don't usually hone it, and have no problems.
              -Mike
              _________
              '79 XS1100SF 20k miles
              '80 XS1100SG 44k miles
              '81 XS1100H Venturer 35k miles
              '79 XS750SF 17k miles
              '85 Honda V65 Magna ~7k miles
              '84 Honda V65 Magna 48k miles (parts bike)
              '86 Yamaha VMAX 9k miles

              Previous: '68 Motoguzzi 600cc + '79 XS750SF 22k miles +'84 Honda V65

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              • bikerphil
                Master of XSology
                • Jan 2008
                • 8668
                • South Flori-DUH

                #37
                I've never honed them, maybe just a rolled up sandpaper to get the crud out. If it's clean and smooth, it is probably good to go.
                2H7 (79) owned since '89
                3H3 owned since '06

                "If it ain't broke, modify it"

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                • cajun31
                  Moderator
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 1811
                  • Brandon, MS

                  #38
                  I have to state I have never honed one either. Generally, once you have it clean you can take a bright light and look down the bore to see if there is any pitting. I guess I have been lucky and never had that problem in the masters. The old steel caliper pistons is another story. They are almost always pitted and is why I have always just replaced them with stainless aftermarket pistons. While rebuilding the master did you check to make sure the spooge hole was not impeded?
                  2 - 80 LGs bought one new
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                  Jim

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                  • aquamantx
                    Truly XSive
                    • Aug 2015
                    • 198
                    • Montgomery, TX

                    #39
                    Cleaned out both of the holes in the master. Liquid shoots right through. bore looks really clean so I guess I try again. Maybe over pushing the plunger.
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                    • bikerphil
                      Master of XSology
                      • Jan 2008
                      • 8668
                      • South Flori-DUH

                      #40
                      Just remember, the plunger must fully retract when bleeding. Sometimes it may not, due to the pedal adjustment on the push rod. Back it off a little if necessary. After it's fully bled, you can snug it back up to have the pedal travel adjusted to your liking.
                      2H7 (79) owned since '89
                      3H3 owned since '06

                      "If it ain't broke, modify it"

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