Another turn signal question

[Fields11789]

Hi Guys,

I have seen that there are other posts relating to problems with turn signals however I can not find my problem.

My problem is this. When i push the turn signal left or right it clicks just once and does nothing. the lights do not flash, they do not go solid, they just do nothing. Not even the dash display lights flash. When i do press the turn signal, the dash lights dim when the flasher heats up.


So, i replaced all the globes with the standard 21w automotive bulbs. after reading i can not use them with the old flasher i swapped the flasher out for a standard 2 pin thermal flasher. No joy. So i went for a 2 pin electronic flasher, still nothing.

If i hold the signal switch left or right, the OEM flasher clicks very fast, the 2 pin generic thermal clicks very slowly and the 2 pin electronic flasher clicks at the speed indicators should.

Any ideas what would cause this?

[Fields11789]

let me also now say that i took the switch apart. maybe it is wired up / assembled wrong?

I say this because i jumped the power from the metal bendy tangs things direct to the green/brown wires for the turn lights. When i jump the power to them the indicators work just fine with any relay.

Should the green and brown be attached to the far left and far right solder point on the little white switch which is moved by the lever?

I must say that i did re solder these on after i pulled the switch off to clean it up and broke some a couple solder points. I thought i had it back the way it was though....

[3Phase]

You need a schematic

It looks like you may have an open circuit in the turn signal switch. If you just reversed the Brown and Green signal wires when you reassembled the switch the signals would still work but the wrong lamps would flash.

Do you have a RH and a proper schematic for it? I don't know if it's different than the US signals.

Does your RH have the hazard flashers and do they work?

For the US models, as you move the thumb switch it first makes the connections to the left-hand or right-hand signal wires and lamps, then it activates a momentary switch that fires the flasher circuit.

When you release the thumb switch it backs off from the momentary but keeps the signal wires connected to flash left or right.

If the ground or the signal wires and those little metal bendy tangs in the switch aren't assembled correctly then you'll have an open or short circuit. The momentary part of the switch can still fire the flasher circuit but the electricity won't reach the lamps.

[Fields11789]

Thanks for the reply. I'm gonna have to play around with it until it works I think!

it very frustrating as I'm so close to finishing the project and want to get it licensed and hit the road!

Just to clarify, green/brown (power to the signals) should be on the outer 2 solder points of the sliding switch?

The 2 others, red/white and yellow/white should be underneath the momentary tangs?

I have the schematic but it does not make much sense to me

[3Phase]

I can only guess the color of the wires in an Oceana XS1100RH 5N5 signal switch. The only non-US schematics I've seen are for the Euro 5K7.

Dark Green should be for right-hand signal lamps and Chocolate for the left-hand lamps.

Brown/White is the power feed for both and a Yellow/Red is grounded by the momentary to fire the flasher circuit and start the time/distance computer.

I have no idea what the Yellow/White wire would do, there aren't any in US models and I don't see any in the European 5K7 XS1100 schematic.


Here's a thread on the Aussie site:

xs1100.com.au | Topic: Wiring probs may still be "Looming!"

Here's Shappers' 5K7 PDF color schematic:

Google Drive | File: SportColourWiringDiagram.pdf


Here's a 1980 US schematic but if you have a schematic for your RH it and you can't understand it this may not help.

[MaximPhil]

Hi Scott,
Thanks:
Explaining the MAGIC of ELECTRICKERY from half way around the world.
You are awesome. Happy New Year
Phil

[Fields11789]

Thanks heaps Scott. I figured out what I did wrong after I re read my last post. I had one of the power feed in the wrong spot. Working great now.

After reading other threads about the flasher relays not working with standard globes I thought it would be the case here. My stock relay clicks over happily with the lower wattage globes?

[3Phase]

Thanks, Phil! Happy New Year everyone!

[...] After reading other threads about the flasher relays not working with standard globes I thought it would be the case here. My stock relay clicks over happily with the lower wattage globes?

Hmm... It depends.

Would you like simplified equations that cover several pages with arcane symbols for time, imaginary numbers, and variables for Watts, Amps, Volts, and Ohms or will you settle for, "The Force is strong in this one!"

You will? Great!

"The Force is strong in this one!"

[skids]

Thanks heaps Scott. I figured out what I did wrong after I re read my last post. I had one of the power feed in the wrong spot. Working great now.

After reading other threads about the flasher relays not working with standard globes I thought it would be the case here. My stock relay clicks over happily with the lower wattage globes?

You have to love it when it comes together!

[3Phase]

You have to love it when it comes together!

Sometimes all you need is to walk through and double-check your work, then you're riding.

[Fields11789]

Not being a master of all things electric. I will accept that the force is strong! Haha

Thanks heaps