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  • #1

    tiny battery

    I ordered a battery for my XS11 from Amazon. I entered the year and model and there was one for $25. I ordered it and when it arrived find it looks like a toy battery. Dimensions are 4" high, 4 3/8" wide and 2 3/8" deep. So I went back and checked dimensions of other batteries and they're huge compared to this tiny one. I have not yet removed the old battery to compare. But before I do, anyone know about this battery? Brand is EBC CTZ72.
    Thanks
    EL
    2006 Yamaha Morphous "The Space Ship"
    2004 Honda Aero VT750 "Black Beauty"
    2003 Yamaha VStar 650 Classic "primero"
    2000 BMW K1200LT Like new as of 5/10/16
    1999 BMW K1200LT "The Silver Bullet"
    1996 Kawasaki KZ1000P "the 5-0"
    1989 BMW K100RS "White Ghost"
    1986 Honda Goldwing Espencade 1200 (work in progress)
    1982 Honda Goldwing Interstate 1100 (same)
    1980 Yamaha XS1100 fast
    1979 Yamaha XS1100 just as fast

    +6 CTs
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  • #2
    It sounds suspect. Do you have a link to the product on Amazon? A search for CTZ72 doesn't bring up any results anywhere for that model number on Amazon or otherwise.

    Whats the CCA and amp-hour (Ah) rating? The AGM batteries I use are around $100 and are rated for 350 CCA and 21 Ah. You seem to get the level of quality-control you pay for, not to say you should overpay

    As far as I'm aware, the only way these batteries can really have smaller dimensions and provide the necessary output is by changing the technology to something other than lead-acid, but with that the price goes up significantly.
    82J · 81SH · 79SF Fire Damage · 78E · 79F Parts Bike · 04 Buell Blast
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    • #3
      Lithium ion batteries are small and lightweight,,,,,but expensive.
      80 SG
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      99 ST1100
      91 ST1100

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      • #4
        Lithium Ion batteries require a very controlled charge system and though the technology is progressing you have to look at history. Then ask yourself am I the one, the one it goes boom with. I like the battery in several applications but I'd not stick a 25 dollar bomb between my legs. I use the AGM mainly because I need the CCA power and I have seen a cheap lithium battery blow in a drill and I don't like it.
        To fix the problem one should not make more assumptions than the minimum needed.

        Rodan
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        Original Yamaha Fairfing and Bags
        1198 Overbore kit
        Grizzly 660 ACCT
        Barnett Clutch Springs
        R1 Clutch Fiber Plates
        122.5 Main Jets
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Prothec View Post
          It sounds suspect. Do you have a link to the product on Amazon? A search for CTZ72 doesn't bring up any results anywhere for that model number on Amazon or otherwise.

          Whats the CCA and amp-hour (Ah) rating? The AGM batteries I use are around $100 and are rated for 350 CCA and 21 Ah. You seem to get the level of quality-control you pay for, not to say you should overpay

          As far as I'm aware, the only way these batteries can really have smaller dimensions and provide the necessary output is by changing the technology to something other than lead-acid, but with that the price goes up significantly.
          Here it is:
          http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ilpage_o09_s00
          2006 Yamaha Morphous "The Space Ship"
          2004 Honda Aero VT750 "Black Beauty"
          2003 Yamaha VStar 650 Classic "primero"
          2000 BMW K1200LT Like new as of 5/10/16
          1999 BMW K1200LT "The Silver Bullet"
          1996 Kawasaki KZ1000P "the 5-0"
          1989 BMW K100RS "White Ghost"
          1986 Honda Goldwing Espencade 1200 (work in progress)
          1982 Honda Goldwing Interstate 1100 (same)
          1980 Yamaha XS1100 fast
          1979 Yamaha XS1100 just as fast

          +6 CTs

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          • #6
            That is a 6Amp battery you need a 17 amp battery or larger there is the difference. If your engine is weak it may start the bike but may not handle lights etc for a long period of time. This is not the battery you need and I would not go far on one that size even if you get the bike started. It would not turn mine over the first time.
            To fix the problem one should not make more assumptions than the minimum needed.

            Rodan
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khm6...liHntN91DHjHiS
            1980 G Silverbird
            Original Yamaha Fairfing and Bags
            1198 Overbore kit
            Grizzly 660 ACCT
            Barnett Clutch Springs
            R1 Clutch Fiber Plates
            122.5 Main Jets
            ACCT Mod
            Mac 4-2 Flare Tips
            Antivibe Bar ends
            Rear trunk add-on
            http://s1184.photobucket.com/albums/z329/viperron1/

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            • #7
              Hi Eddie,
              As usual when it sounds too good to be true...it is not good.
              While some have experimented with the newer technology available for batteries most of us are still using lead acid batteries. The bike is 35 years old just give it what it's always had I have had reasonable service (3 years) from Wall Mart batteries but they can be a bit hit or miss.
              NAPA or similar. will have one. If you have to add the acid yourself at least you know when it was done and done right. Be sure to read the FIRST TIME charging instructions as this has a huge influence on the life of the battery.
              You will need a 2 amp charger.
              1981 XS1100 H Venturer ( Addie)
              1983 XJ 650 Maxim
              2004 Kawasaki Concours. ( Black Bear)

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              • #8
                On the bright side, it shows shipped and sold by Amazon. Chances are if you contact them and complain that it was recommended for your application, Amazon will likely just refund and not ask for it back.
                82J · 81SH · 79SF Fire Damage · 78E · 79F Parts Bike · 04 Buell Blast
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Prothec View Post
                  On the bright side, it shows shipped and sold by Amazon. Chances are if you contact them and complain that it was recommended for your application, Amazon will likely just refund and not ask for it back.
                  "05:41 PM PST Amazon: As I can see this item is not returnable so in this case you can keep the item with you and I am crediting you full refund for this item."

                  "05:43 PM PST Amazon: Refund issued successfully to your credit card."

                  Thanks Pro. As you can see, this is a reason why I shop at Amazon. Now going back and ordering the correct size. Gonna be more, I know, but happy to know that it will be the right battery. Thanks everyone, for all your comments.
                  2006 Yamaha Morphous "The Space Ship"
                  2004 Honda Aero VT750 "Black Beauty"
                  2003 Yamaha VStar 650 Classic "primero"
                  2000 BMW K1200LT Like new as of 5/10/16
                  1999 BMW K1200LT "The Silver Bullet"
                  1996 Kawasaki KZ1000P "the 5-0"
                  1989 BMW K100RS "White Ghost"
                  1986 Honda Goldwing Espencade 1200 (work in progress)
                  1982 Honda Goldwing Interstate 1100 (same)
                  1980 Yamaha XS1100 fast
                  1979 Yamaha XS1100 just as fast

                  +6 CTs

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                  • #10
                    Ron says go with AGM, Phil, with lead acid. I've decided to go with this AGM battery. Reg. $90.00, on sale for $65, less my $29 credit for the tiny one = $36. And it has 21amp service. I'm a happy camper now.
                    Thanks again
                    EL

                    ps, hey Ron, went to your photobucket album to check out your bike. That is one nice looking bike!
                    Last edited by eddielo; 12-16-2015, 08:04 PM.
                    2006 Yamaha Morphous "The Space Ship"
                    2004 Honda Aero VT750 "Black Beauty"
                    2003 Yamaha VStar 650 Classic "primero"
                    2000 BMW K1200LT Like new as of 5/10/16
                    1999 BMW K1200LT "The Silver Bullet"
                    1996 Kawasaki KZ1000P "the 5-0"
                    1989 BMW K100RS "White Ghost"
                    1986 Honda Goldwing Espencade 1200 (work in progress)
                    1982 Honda Goldwing Interstate 1100 (same)
                    1980 Yamaha XS1100 fast
                    1979 Yamaha XS1100 just as fast

                    +6 CTs

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                    • #11
                      I get my AGM batteries from Batterystuff.com. If you're looking for traditional wet-cell batteries that are a little cheaper, I've only ever picked them up locally. I feel I've easily gotten my money's worth out of AGM, but as you could guess there's a bit of differing opinions about them.

                      http://www.batterystuff.com/powerspo...TX24HL-BS.html

                      What I don't like about marketplaces like Amazon for "universal" parts like this is that every foreign and domestic reseller can stick their label on their own model of an unknown manufacturer's part and sell it saying it's compatible. It's hard to weed out what's actually good from the masses of available parts.
                      82J · 81SH · 79SF Fire Damage · 78E · 79F Parts Bike · 04 Buell Blast
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ViperRon View Post
                        Lithium Ion batteries require a very controlled charge system and though the technology is progressing you have to look at history. Then ask yourself am I the one, the one it goes boom with. I like the battery in several applications but I'd not stick a 25 dollar bomb between my legs. I use the AGM mainly because I need the CCA power and I have seen a cheap lithium battery blow in a drill and I don't like it.
                        Some may remember a member here some yrs. back in Montana that almost melted his crotch-rocket to the ground using a lithium-ion battey.
                        81H Venturer1100 "The Bentley" (on steroids) 97 Yamaha YZ250(age reducer) 92 Honda ST1100 "Twisty"(touring rocket) Age is relative to the number of seconds counted 'airing' out an 85ft. table-top.

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                        • #13
                          I have an AGM battery...maintenence free...I like that...never need to add fluids... and Yes to buying through Amazon...great customer support...
                          1980 XS650G Special-Two
                          1993 Honda ST1100

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                          • #14
                            Lithium

                            I've had a lithium battery in my XjR1300 for two years now. It is small, weighs 900g instead of 4.5kg like the lead acid one, and it's given no trouble whatsoever. I've never had to charge it up and, although it's very small, about 1/3 the size of oem, it never fails to start the engine. However, it was very expensive. The link you posted is for a small lead acid battery which is far too small for the bike in terms of amps...
                            XS1100F 1980 European model. Standard. Dyna coils. Iridium plugs. XS750 final drive (sometimes). Micron fork brace. Progressive front springs. Geezer regulator/rectifier. Stainless 4 into 2 exhaust. Auto CCT (Venturer 1300) SOLD. New project now on the go. 1980 European model.

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                            • #15
                              For automotive and power tools, the Lithium technology is usually LiFePo4 rather than Li-ion. LiFePo4 are the kind considered safe compared to the Li-ion you always hear about catching fire, bursting, etc.

                              http://www.batterystuff.com/kb/artic...-overview.html

                              If you've ever heard of A123 cells, those are a brand of LiFePo4 cell and revolutionized battery powered tools.
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