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    So the other day was out riding and had just filled up with fuel and was heading out of the parking lot and the bike died. Still had power so I thought I had somehow killed it idling through the parking lot. Hit the ignition button...nothing. Rolled to a parking spot and found that the 10 amp ignition fuse had blown.

    Where is the most common place of failure in that circuit?
    Nathan
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  • #2
    My guess would be that rats nest where the headlight used to be or the kill switch.
    Greg

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    • #3
      On the standards there's a connection inside the headlight bucket that likes to get hot and melt. I had that problem on mine, and it might be worth checking. It's been a long time ago, but I want to say there was a blue wire involved. It wasn't real hard to find, though.
      I think I have a loose screw behind the handlebars.

      '79 XS11 Standard, Jardine 4/1, Dyna DC1-1 Coils, 145 mains, 45 pilots, plastic floats - 25.7mm, XV920 fuel valves, inline fuel filters, speed bleeders, Mikes XS pods, spade-type fuse block, fork brace, progressive fork springs/shocks, manual petcocks, 750 FD, Venture cam chain tensioner, SS brake lines

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      • #4
        The ignition circuit shouldn't get anywhere near the headlight bucket....

        I'd look at the kill switch, ballast resistor (or it's wiring if the resistor is gone), and the coils. Check for ground faults in the red/white ignition wire.
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        '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
        '82 XJ rebuild project
        '80SG restified, red SOLD
        '79F parts...
        '81H more parts...

        Other current bikes:
        '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
        '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
        '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
        Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
        Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by crazy steve View Post
          The ignition circuit shouldn't get anywhere near the headlight bucket....
          Not normally but with the fairing the ignition switch wires will be wrapped up with everything else. But then the actual ignition R/W wire doesn't, correct.
          Last edited by BA80; 09-25-2015, 01:22 PM.
          Greg

          Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

          ― Albert Einstein

          80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by crazy steve View Post
            The ignition circuit shouldn't get anywhere near the headlight bucket....
            It does on mine. The wires from the ignition switch go right into the bucket. And if you look at the wiring diagram it shows R, BR, and BL wires coming off the switch. I thought I remembered a blue wire being part of the problem when I fixed mine.
            I think I have a loose screw behind the handlebars.

            '79 XS11 Standard, Jardine 4/1, Dyna DC1-1 Coils, 145 mains, 45 pilots, plastic floats - 25.7mm, XV920 fuel valves, inline fuel filters, speed bleeders, Mikes XS pods, spade-type fuse block, fork brace, progressive fork springs/shocks, manual petcocks, 750 FD, Venture cam chain tensioner, SS brake lines

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            • #7
              Originally posted by natemoen View Post
              So the other day was out riding and had just filled up with fuel and was heading out of the parking lot and the bike died. Still had power so I thought I had somehow killed it idling through the parking lot. Hit the ignition button...nothing. Rolled to a parking spot and found that the 10 amp ignition fuse had blown.

              Where is the most common place of failure in that circuit?
              Easy..........got a perodic short somewhere.
              81H Venturer1100 "The Bentley" (on steroids) 97 Yamaha YZ250(age reducer) 92 Honda ST1100 "Twisty"(touring rocket) Age is relative to the number of seconds counted 'airing' out an 85ft. table-top.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by dbeardslee View Post
                It does on mine. The wires from the ignition switch go right into the bucket. And if you look at the wiring diagram it shows R, BR, and BL wires coming off the switch. I thought I remembered a blue wire being part of the problem when I fixed mine.
                Sorry, but that's not the ignition circuit. The red wire is main power from the battery, the brown is power to everything except the tail/running lights, the blue is the taillight power. If he's blowing the ignition fuse, the problem is after the fuse panel. While it's called the ignition switch, it's really a 'main' switch as it operates everything.
                Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

                '78E original owner - resto project
                '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
                '82 XJ rebuild project
                '80SG restified, red SOLD
                '79F parts...
                '81H more parts...

                Other current bikes:
                '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
                '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
                '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
                Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
                Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by crazy steve View Post
                  Sorry, but that's not the ignition circuit. The red wire is main power from the battery, the brown is power to everything except the tail/running lights, the blue is the taillight power. If he's blowing the ignition fuse, the problem is after the fuse panel. While it's called the ignition switch, it's really a 'main' switch as it operates everything.
                  I see what you're saying now. You were saying ignition circuit and I was only hearing ignition.
                  I think I have a loose screw behind the handlebars.

                  '79 XS11 Standard, Jardine 4/1, Dyna DC1-1 Coils, 145 mains, 45 pilots, plastic floats - 25.7mm, XV920 fuel valves, inline fuel filters, speed bleeders, Mikes XS pods, spade-type fuse block, fork brace, progressive fork springs/shocks, manual petcocks, 750 FD, Venture cam chain tensioner, SS brake lines

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                  • #10
                    Have you had any issues with the Tach lately or anything else acting weird. I had a tach last year would hang at 3000 and then started blowing the fuse. If you can not identify anything like a light or switch acting funny start checking wires, you have a short finding where is the issue. Most times its a place you were recently doing something.
                    To fix the problem one should not make more assumptions than the minimum needed.

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                    • #11
                      Ugh, I hate electrical problems.

                      Ron, no my tach doesn't have any new problems, it has always wobbled a little but that hasn't changed. I haven't done any work anywhere on it so I don't have a starting point there.

                      I will try and start digging around in it today.
                      Nathan
                      KD9ARL

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                      1978 XS1100E
                      K&N Filter
                      #45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
                      OEM Exhaust
                      ATK Fork Brace
                      LED Dash lights
                      Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters

                      Green Monster Coils
                      SS Brake Lines
                      Vision 550 Auto Tensioner

                      In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

                      Theodore Roosevelt

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by natemoen View Post
                        Ugh, I hate electrical problems.

                        Ron, no my tach doesn't have any new problems, it has always wobbled a little but that hasn't changed. I haven't done any work anywhere on it so I don't have a starting point there.

                        I will try and start digging around in it today.
                        wobbly tach IS a first clur. Go thru, unlpug and clean all five of those connectots. The one for the tach is the tiny two prong plug-in behind there.
                        81H Venturer1100 "The Bentley" (on steroids) 97 Yamaha YZ250(age reducer) 92 Honda ST1100 "Twisty"(touring rocket) Age is relative to the number of seconds counted 'airing' out an 85ft. table-top.

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                        • #13
                          Sometimes you just get a defective fuse too... Was this an isolated incident, or have you blown more fuses since? If it was just the one fuse, you may not have a problem...

                          The thing to remember is don't get sidetracked. The only thing connected to the ignition fuse is the ignition (assuming OEM circuitry), so looking at other parts will only confuse the matter. The tach isn't on that fuse (or connected to the ignition in any way), so how can it be the problem?
                          Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

                          '78E original owner - resto project
                          '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
                          '82 XJ rebuild project
                          '80SG restified, red SOLD
                          '79F parts...
                          '81H more parts...

                          Other current bikes:
                          '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
                          '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
                          '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
                          Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
                          Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by crazy steve View Post
                            Sometimes you just get a defective fuse too... Was this an isolated incident, or have you blown more fuses since? If it was just the one fuse, you may not have a problem...

                            The thing to remember is don't get sidetracked. The only thing connected to the ignition fuse is the ignition (assuming OEM circuitry), so looking at other parts will only confuse the matter. The tach isn't on that fuse (or connected to the ignition in any way), so how can it be the problem?
                            Sorry if that was confusing to ya' Steve. The small pin connector behind there, which COULD very well be causing the tach fluxuation has led me to believe that the other plug-ins may need cleaning attention also. An ignition source that DOES complete the ignition circuit akso IS the kill switch. Handle-bars ALSO complete the ignition circuit as a grounding source.
                            81H Venturer1100 "The Bentley" (on steroids) 97 Yamaha YZ250(age reducer) 92 Honda ST1100 "Twisty"(touring rocket) Age is relative to the number of seconds counted 'airing' out an 85ft. table-top.

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                            • #15
                              That fuse has been in there for several years and never had an issue before or after. Not many miles after it though.

                              Wife broke her foot so I won't be free for awhile.
                              Nathan
                              KD9ARL

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                              1978 XS1100E
                              K&N Filter
                              #45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
                              OEM Exhaust
                              ATK Fork Brace
                              LED Dash lights
                              Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters

                              Green Monster Coils
                              SS Brake Lines
                              Vision 550 Auto Tensioner

                              In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

                              Theodore Roosevelt

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