XS1100 Service Manual

[dbeardslee]

Sometime back I downloaded the genuine Yamaha XS1100 Service Manual, and while it's been useful, it's also kind of a PITA in a .pdf format. There's no table of contents at the beginning, and I've always just kept page-downing through it 'till I found what I was looking for. So a few days ago I picked up a three ring binder and a three hole punch, and printed the doggone thing.

MY GAWD! I should have done that YEARS ago! The first thing I discovered was the INDEX - all the way in the back. I never page-downed that far before, and I didn't even know it had an index. I moved the index from the back to the front, and I can find virtually anything now in about ten seconds. Plus, it's a lot easier to take out in the garage this way.

If you'd like your own service manual, you can download it here - Yamaha XS1100 Service Manual, but I strongly advise printing it out.

276 pages of technical goodness...

[mro]

I haven't been around for some time, so don't know when the last time it was posted about a few mistakes in the factory manuals.

Think we had a thread going on about it in 2006.


mro

[dbeardslee]

I've heard of mistakes in the Clymer manuals, but never heard about mistakes in the factory manual. I'll have to flex some google muscle and see if I can find any info.

[dbeardslee]

Well, here's what I found out - this is the Clymer Manual. Probably why the front pages are missing in the download what with copyrights and all.

The only thing I found about errors seemed to be with torque settings on some fasteners. So be thee aware of that. It does seem to be a more complete manual than the Hanes, though.

[mro]

The "first " manual was for the E which I don't have.

on page 8-7 & 8-8 in the LIT-11616-XS-12 edition 78-80 service manual list the "corrections" for the E manual.

On the same page numbers in the LIT-11616-XS-13 edition which covers all the XS line (some models are covered by included "supplements" as many things are the same on all models are the "corrections".

But the corrections do not cover all the mistakes as was pointed out in the thread I mentioned. TC may remember or maybe some of the old timers


mro

[dbeardslee]

The "first " manual was for the E which I don't have.

on page 8-7 & 8-8 in the LIT-11616-XS-12 edition 78-80 service manual list the "corrections" for the E manual.

On the same page numbers in the LIT-11616-XS-13 edition which covers all the XS line (some models are covered by included "supplements" as many things are the same on all models are the "corrections".

But the corrections do not cover all the mistakes as was pointed out in the thread I mentioned. TC may remember or maybe some of the old timers


mro

I hope you realize you just pushed me over the edge. I found a LIT-11616-XS-13 on ebay and snapped it up. Now I'll have all three - Hanes, Clymer, and the fsm. [insert evil laugh here]

I'll keep digging on the errors - all I've found so far was issues with some torque specs.

[mro]

errors

one I remember had to do with an electrical diagram but don't remember which one.

The 13 I like the best altho I leave one Clymer out in the garage and the two factory manuals in my desk, the other Clymers and Hanes (5 of them )
stuck with a bunch of other manuals for various computers/machines/etc..)

Gota have a manual for each bike or piece of equipment

[dbeardslee]

Gota have a manual for each bike or piece of equipment

I agree entirely. I figure even a flawed manual is better than no manual at all. My dad used to do the same thing with cars. He'd go buy the shop manuals from the dealership - the ones that look like telephone books. They come in handy - especially with old equipment.

[dbeardslee]

one I remember had to do with an electrical diagram but don't remember which one.

That's good news for me - I can't read one of those doggone things anyway. I use the ones in the back of the Hanes manual every once in a while, but it has to be pretty simple stuff for me to get anything out of it.

[mro]

Don't you wonder where Hanes and Clymer got their info for the manuals they publish?

Bet that the Hanes wiring diagrams match what's in the factory manual.

[dbeardslee]

Don't you wonder where Hanes and Clymer got their info for the manuals they publish?

Bet that the Hanes wiring diagrams match what's in the factory manual.

That's a good point. They always say those manuals are based on a complete tear down and rebuild, but who really knows? Right now the Hanes manual is the only one I can use for wiring diagrams. The ones in the downloadable Clymer manual are in black and white. And I thought they were hard to read in color!

[crazy steve]

Most of the errors in the FSM are in the 'main' wiring diagram and not all years diagrams have the same errors. If you stick to the schematics in the 'unit repair' sections you'll have better results as these are accurate. I only use the main diagram to check for 'other' connections to other systems.

The FSM does have accurate torque specs, although they can be a bit hard to dig out sometimes. The biggest issue with the FSM IMO isn't 'wrong' info but the lack of it for some items; the recent hoop-de-do over the cam sprockets is one example, another is the near-total lack of info for removing/reinstalling the front calipers on the Specials.

Member Catatonicbug has the all-XS-models '13' manual available for download here...
http://www.ringler.us/family/mybike.html

[dbeardslee]

Most of the errors in the FSM are in the 'main' wiring diagram and not all years diagrams have the same errors. If you stick to the schematics in the 'unit repair' sections you'll have better results as these are accurate. I only use the main diagram to check for 'other' connections to other systems.

The FSM does have accurate torque specs, although they can be a bit hard to dig out sometimes. The biggest issue with the FSM IMO isn't 'wrong' info but the lack of it for some items; the recent hoop-de-do over the cam sprockets is one example, another is the near-total lack of info for removing/reinstalling the front calipers on the Specials.

Member Catatonicbug has the all-XS-models '13' manual available for download here...
http://www.ringler.us/family/mybike.html

I downloaded the 13 manual off bug's site. I took a quick flip through it and I did notice some stuff I haven't seen in the Hanes manual. The wiring diagrams are in black and white, which makes them sort of useless. But if they're incorrect, maybe that's a good thing.

[crazy steve]

The problem with the Haynes and Clymer manuals is they are basically only duplicates of the FSM, with quite a few more mistakes and more stuff left out. They're pretty much useless for electrical troubleshooting IMO, but are fine for 'normal' maintenance, and they do feature less fractured english. But in terms of technical info, inferior to the FSM.

I've got Haynes/Clymer manuals for my Harleys too, and those are even worse compared to the FSM....

[dbeardslee]

The problem with the Haynes and Clymer manuals is they are basically only duplicates of the FSM, with quite a few more mistakes and more stuff left out. They're pretty much useless for electrical troubleshooting IMO, but are fine for 'normal' maintenance, and they do feature less fractured english. But in terms of technical info, inferior to the FSM.

I've got Haynes/Clymer manuals for my Harleys too, and those are even worse compared to the FSM....

I don't doubt that for a minute. Whether you're talking about cars or motorcycles or lawnmowers the manufacturer's manuals tend to be the cadillacs. Unfortunately they tend to have a price tag like one too. I found a used 13 manual on ebay for $40 that looked like it was in pretty good shape. You can still find new ones but they want twice as much for those. Pretty crazy when you consider $40 for a used manual a bargain.