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  • ardvark1
    Truly XSive
    • Jul 2006
    • 135
    • Midlands UK

    #1

    Which Multimeter?

    In the process of getting me SF back from a 6 year sleep and I've come to the conclusion my current multimeter needs to go.

    It was ok in the 70's and 80's but I think it's time to update?

    I'm asking members of suggestions of one that will cover all motorcycle needs that I may come across.

    ALL suggestions will be gratefully received.

    Al
  • dbeardslee
    XS-XJ Super Guru
    • Nov 2007
    • 4385
    • Maineville, OH

    #2
    I've a digital mm from Radio Shack that does what I need it to. I have thought about picking one up that reads rpm's though. I figured if I can find one that's accurate enough it might be helpful in tuning carbs.

    Something like this is what I'm thinking about...

    I think I have a loose screw behind the handlebars.

    '79 XS11 Standard, Jardine 4/1, Dyna DC1-1 Coils, 145 mains, 45 pilots, plastic floats - 25.7mm, XV920 fuel valves, inline fuel filters, speed bleeders, Mikes XS pods, spade-type fuse block, fork brace, progressive fork springs/shocks, manual petcocks, 750 FD, Venture cam chain tensioner, SS brake lines

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    • Prothec
      XSive Maximus
      • Jul 2007
      • 587
      • Fort Myers, FL

      #3
      Originally posted by dbeardslee
      I've a digital mm from Radio Shack that does what I need it to. I have thought about picking one up that reads rpm's though. I figured if I can find one that's accurate enough it might be helpful in tuning carbs.

      Something like this is what I'm thinking about...

      Wow, that does look nice with the tach for ~$85 on Amazon.

      http://www.amazon.com/ESI-585K-Delux.../dp/B000JFHMR0

      This is the multi-meter I've had for a few years:

      Innova 3320 Auto-Ranging Digital Multimeter
      http://www.amazon.com/INNOVA-3320-Au.../dp/B000EVYGZA
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      • dbeardslee
        XS-XJ Super Guru
        • Nov 2007
        • 4385
        • Maineville, OH

        #4
        Originally posted by Prothec
        Wow, that does look nice with the tach for ~$85 on Amazon.
        Beat you to it. I ordered one from Amazon right after I made the last post. This thread got me thinking about it again, and the next thing I knew....
        I think I have a loose screw behind the handlebars.

        '79 XS11 Standard, Jardine 4/1, Dyna DC1-1 Coils, 145 mains, 45 pilots, plastic floats - 25.7mm, XV920 fuel valves, inline fuel filters, speed bleeders, Mikes XS pods, spade-type fuse block, fork brace, progressive fork springs/shocks, manual petcocks, 750 FD, Venture cam chain tensioner, SS brake lines

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        • BowlingSS
          XStremely XSive
          • Apr 2015
          • 398
          • Lawrenceville, GA.

          #5
          I would like one with a tach. That would help when tuning the carbs. How is it hooked up?

          Bill
          1980 XS1100 SG
          Jardine Spaghetti with Harley Mufflers

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          • BowlingSS
            XStremely XSive
            • Apr 2015
            • 398
            • Lawrenceville, GA.

            #6
            Originally posted by BowlingSS
            I would like one with a tach. That would help when tuning the carbs. How is it hooked up?

            Bill
            I see how it is hooked up. This guy is on my list.

            Bill
            1980 XS1100 SG
            Jardine Spaghetti with Harley Mufflers

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            • dbeardslee
              XS-XJ Super Guru
              • Nov 2007
              • 4385
              • Maineville, OH

              #7
              I've read where some guys adjust their mixture with a tach. They adjust the screws for maximum rpms, but it takes a tach with pretty good resolution. The one on the ESI 585K is supposed to read from 0-3200 rpms, so I'm hoping that will work. I'm also expecting it to read twice the actual rpms since we've got waste spark coils. But that shouldn't matter for what I'm planning to do with it. The guys who do it say it works better than a colortune, and I can't wait to find out if they're right.

              And one other thing I liked about the ESI 585K - it's got a five position sensitivity setting on the inductive clip, so hopefully it will allow for adjustment to pick up the pulses accurately. Although I never have any trouble picking up those pulses when I inadvertently touch one of those wires.
              Last edited by dbeardslee; 08-16-2015, 01:53 PM.
              I think I have a loose screw behind the handlebars.

              '79 XS11 Standard, Jardine 4/1, Dyna DC1-1 Coils, 145 mains, 45 pilots, plastic floats - 25.7mm, XV920 fuel valves, inline fuel filters, speed bleeders, Mikes XS pods, spade-type fuse block, fork brace, progressive fork springs/shocks, manual petcocks, 750 FD, Venture cam chain tensioner, SS brake lines

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              • BowlingSS
                XStremely XSive
                • Apr 2015
                • 398
                • Lawrenceville, GA.

                #8
                Originally posted by dbeardslee
                I've read where some guys adjust their mixture with a tach. They adjust the screws for maximum rpms, but it takes a tach with pretty good resolution. The one on the ESI 585K is supposed to read from 0-3200 rpms, so I'm hoping that will work. I'm also expecting it to read twice the actual rpms since we've got waste spark coils. But that shouldn't matter for what I'm planning to do with it. The guys who do it say it works better than a colortune, and I can't wait to find out if they're right.

                And one other thing I liked about the ESI 585K - it's got a five position sensitivity setting on the inductive probe, so hopefully it will allow for adjustment to pickup the pulses accurately.
                Let everyone know how it works. I want one if it works as planned.

                Bill
                1980 XS1100 SG
                Jardine Spaghetti with Harley Mufflers

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                • dbeardslee
                  XS-XJ Super Guru
                  • Nov 2007
                  • 4385
                  • Maineville, OH

                  #9
                  Originally posted by BowlingSS
                  Let everyone know how it works. I want one if it works as planned.

                  Bill
                  That can be arranged. I should have it around the middle of next week, and as soon as I get it in my hot little hands I'll test it out. I can never resist playing with new toys.
                  I think I have a loose screw behind the handlebars.

                  '79 XS11 Standard, Jardine 4/1, Dyna DC1-1 Coils, 145 mains, 45 pilots, plastic floats - 25.7mm, XV920 fuel valves, inline fuel filters, speed bleeders, Mikes XS pods, spade-type fuse block, fork brace, progressive fork springs/shocks, manual petcocks, 750 FD, Venture cam chain tensioner, SS brake lines

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                  • MaximPhil
                    XS-XJ Super Guru
                    • May 2004
                    • 4119
                    • Mississauga, ON CANADA

                    #10
                    Originally posted by ardvark1
                    In the process of getting me SF back from a 6 year sleep and I've come to the conclusion my current multimeter needs to go.

                    It was ok in the 70's and 80's but I think it's time to update?

                    I'm asking members of suggestions of one that will cover all motorcycle needs that I may come across.

                    ALL suggestions will be gratefully received.

                    Al
                    Hi Ardvark,
                    While the modern digital multi meter looks nice an old analog meter can still be accurate enough for our purposes. If you just want a new one then by all means get one but just because it is old does not make it bad.
                    Ohms and a 25 DC volt scale so 12.7 shows up in the middle(most accurate) of the range.
                    Phil
                    1981 XS1100 H Venturer ( Addie)
                    1983 XJ 650 Maxim
                    2004 Kawasaki Concours. ( Black Bear)

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                    • IanDMacDonald
                      XS-XJ Super Guru
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 3916
                      • Grand Blanc & Fenton, MI

                      #11
                      Originally posted by ardvark1
                      In the process of getting me SF back from a 6 year sleep and I've come to the conclusion my current multimeter needs to go.

                      It was ok in the 70's and 80's but I think it's time to update?

                      I'm asking members of suggestions of one that will cover all motorcycle needs that I may come across.

                      ALL suggestions will be gratefully received.

                      Al
                      Depends on your budget. You can go cheap or expensive, or in-between. However, what about "used" & "good"? I don't recommend anything other than what I use: Fluke & BK Precision. You might find used Flukes on eBay/Craigslist for cheap.
                      1979 XS1100F
                      2H9 Mod, Truck-Lite LED Headlight, TECHNA-FIT S/S Brake Lines, Rear Air Shocks, TKAT Fork Brace, Dyna DC-I Coils, TC Fuse Block, Barnett HD Clutch Springs, Superbike Handlebars, V-Star 650 ACCT, NGK Irridium Plugs, OEM Exhaust. CNC-Cut 2nd Gear Dogs; Ported/Milled Head; Modded Airbox: 8x8 Wix Panel Filter; #137.5 Main Jet, Viper Yellow Paint, Michelin Pilot Activ F/R, Interstate AGM Battery, 14MM MC, Maier Fairing, Cree LED Fog Lights.

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                      • dbeardslee
                        XS-XJ Super Guru
                        • Nov 2007
                        • 4385
                        • Maineville, OH

                        #12
                        ESI 585K came in today. I hooked it up to plug #1 and it was bouncing around a lot. I put in a fresh battery and it settled down considerably. Still some bounce, but since the engine doesn't idle at a perfectly constant rpm, I guess that's to be expected. Probably why motorcycle tachometers bounce a bit rather than having the needle dead still. I diddled around with the mixture screw on #1 a little as I can tell by the pipes it's running a little rich. I turned it in about 1/8th turn, and sure enough the rpms went up a tad.

                        I think there's probably about as much art as science to using a tach to adjust carbs, and I'm going to have to get serious with some tuning before I'll really know how well this works. One thing I did discover - it's got settings for 2 stroke, 4 stroke, and DIS, and if you set it to 2 stroke it will actually give you an accurate rpm reading with our waste spark ignitions. I also found that the inductive probe has to be clipped on in the right direction. I had a 50/50 chance of getting it right, so naturally I put it on the wrong way first and didn't get any reading. Turned it around and it worked fine.

                        It's a lot bigger than my other multi-meters, and the carrying case is downright huge in comparison - about the size of a bible. It's also a much nicer case than my others have - considering they're in blister packs and this thing is made out of nylon. The DMM itself has a rubber outer case with two different size "kick stands" built into it. And if you take the rubber case off, there's a third kick stand on the back of the unit. I actually kind of like those - not sure I need three though. The rubber outer case also has clips for your test leads, and I kind of like that. And all the test leads have protective covers on both ends which I also like.

                        Seems well made, and it looks like it will do what I need it to. But as I said, the jury is still out on how well the tach will work for carb tuning. One way to find out, and I'll be getting to that in the next few days.
                        I think I have a loose screw behind the handlebars.

                        '79 XS11 Standard, Jardine 4/1, Dyna DC1-1 Coils, 145 mains, 45 pilots, plastic floats - 25.7mm, XV920 fuel valves, inline fuel filters, speed bleeders, Mikes XS pods, spade-type fuse block, fork brace, progressive fork springs/shocks, manual petcocks, 750 FD, Venture cam chain tensioner, SS brake lines

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