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    So my brother asked me to do a bunch of work on his G, and I decided to start with the brakes. I rebuilt both front calipers as well as the master cylinder, but as it's been a few years since I wrenched on an XS, I completely forgot about that darn plunger seal's habit of popping itself off if you squeeze the handle too far while bleeding. I got paranoid about the very same thing low those many years ago when I rebuilt the MC on Betsy, and I took it back apart only to find it still in place. I'm trying to keep from repeating that episode.

    At this point I've power bled the system, and I'm not seeing any air at the calipers. I can straddle it and roll it forward and when I hit the brake it grabs well enough to make the forks nose-dive. That's about all I can do to test it right now since it's not running yet. Seemed prudent to make sure it could stop before I made sure it could go. Problem is, it doesn't feel quite as firm at the handle as the front brake on Betsy. I'm thinkin' it wouldn't be grabbing at all if the plunger seal was dislodged, and maybe it just feels a bit different 'cause everything is new. Or maybe it just needs a little time for any air trapped in the lines to bubble its way to the top.

    So what say you XSers - am I just being paranoid (again), or could that seal be out of place?
    I think I have a loose screw behind the handlebars.

    '79 XS11 Standard, Jardine 4/1, Dyna DC1-1 Coils, 145 mains, 45 pilots, plastic floats - 25.7mm, XV920 fuel valves, inline fuel filters, speed bleeders, Mikes XS pods, spade-type fuse block, fork brace, progressive fork springs/shocks, manual petcocks, 750 FD, Venture cam chain tensioner, SS brake lines

  • #2
    Nope, you're not being paranoid.

    If you even suspect that cup flipped over in the master cylinder just take it apart now and check it or you'll be asking yourself, "What if..." until the cows come home and you won't be able to have as much fun when you're out riding it.

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    -- Scott
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    2004 ST1300A: No name... yet
    1982 XJ1100J: "Baby" SS Brakes, '850 FD, ACCT
    1980 XS1100G: "Columbo" SS Brakes, '850 FD, ACCT
    1979 XS1100SF: "Bush" W.I.P.
    1979 XS1100F: parts
    2018 Heritage Softail Classic 117 FLHCS SE: "Nanuk" It's DEAD, it's not just resting. It is an EX cycle.

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    • #3
      Tie back the lever and let it sit overnight, that always helps to firm up the feel, it will get rid of any remaining air.
      2H7 (79) owned since '89
      3H3 owned since '06

      "If it ain't broke, modify it"

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      • #4
        Stainless or rubber lines? That is #1 with me, as I have bikes with each, and what a difference between the two!
        But first, +1 on bikerphil's comment. Allow the small bubbles to slowly work out of the system.
        Ray Matteis
        KE6NHG
        XS1100 E '78 (winter project)
        XS1100 SF Bob Jones worked on it!

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        • #5
          This bike's got stainless lines and Betsy's got rubber. Phil's idea sounded like a good one to me too, and I tied the brake handle back last night. Seems to have done the trick. I can see that the fluid level in the reservoir dropped slightly, no leaks and the handle is WAY firm now. Must have just been a little trapped air.

          Thanks for the tip, Phil. I'm moving on to the rear caliper and MC next, so I'll keep that in mind if it winds up feeling spongy.

          Ray, I never even thought about those stainless lines, but your right - now that the air is out I can definitely feel a difference. I'm thinkin' Betsy's gonna want a set when I get through with my brother's bike. Where's the best place to get 'em these days?
          I think I have a loose screw behind the handlebars.

          '79 XS11 Standard, Jardine 4/1, Dyna DC1-1 Coils, 145 mains, 45 pilots, plastic floats - 25.7mm, XV920 fuel valves, inline fuel filters, speed bleeders, Mikes XS pods, spade-type fuse block, fork brace, progressive fork springs/shocks, manual petcocks, 750 FD, Venture cam chain tensioner, SS brake lines

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          • #6
            Ss lines

            Go to the product evaluations heading on the forum page for the brake line sources.
            1981 XS1100H Venturer
            K&N Air Filter
            ACCT
            Custom Paint by Deitz
            Geezer Rectifier/Regulator
            Chacal Stainless Steel Braided Brake Lines
            Chrome Front Rotor & Caliper Covers
            Stebel Nautilus Horn
            EBC Front Rotors
            Limie Accent Moves On In 2015

            Mike

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