The clutch slipped with Rotella in my SG. Valvoline 20W50 cured it.
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Greg
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80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.
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Originally posted by IanDMacDonald View PostSo, why does this only happen when I rip on the throttle wide open versus running it quick but not wide open? No other symptoms of a slip besides a false neutral.
Note: I am running Rotella T5 15w-40. Next Spring wil be Castrol 20w-50.
A search for Rotella T5 images revealed a few that showed the API seal, and it does NOT have any friction modifiers statement in the lower half of the seal. This first image is actually T6, the second is T5 but 10-30w.
But T6 is full synthetic, T5 is Synth/Dino blend, and folks have reported slipping clutch problems when using synths! Would suggest putting some MMO or engine oil flush in the oil and run it for a few minutes working the clutch while it reaches operating temps, but NO LOAD, no riding, no hard revs or WOT while that stuff is in there. Then drain the oil/ change the filter, and refill with the castrol or your choice of DINO 20-50....again avoiding any oil that has the Friction Modifier statement in the lower half of the API seal.
T.C.T. C. Gresham
81SH "Godzilla" . . .1179cc super-rat.
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Yeah, I'll try tge 20w-50 in the Spring, and if no success, I'll try the new springs.1979 XS1100F
2H9 Mod, Truck-Lite LED Headlight, TECHNA-FIT S/S Brake Lines, Rear Air Shocks, TKAT Fork Brace, Dyna DC-I Coils, TC Fuse Block, Barnett HD Clutch Springs, Superbike Handlebars, V-Star 650 ACCT, NGK Irridium Plugs, OEM Exhaust. CNC-Cut 2nd Gear Dogs; Ported/Milled Head; Modded Airbox: 8x8 Wix Panel Filter; #137.5 Main Jet, Viper Yellow Paint, Michelin Pilot Activ F/R, Interstate AGM Battery, 14MM MC, Maier Fairing, Cree LED Fog Lights.
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Thanks for the reaearch guys.Last edited by IanDMacDonald; 11-10-2013, 11:04 AM.1979 XS1100F
2H9 Mod, Truck-Lite LED Headlight, TECHNA-FIT S/S Brake Lines, Rear Air Shocks, TKAT Fork Brace, Dyna DC-I Coils, TC Fuse Block, Barnett HD Clutch Springs, Superbike Handlebars, V-Star 650 ACCT, NGK Irridium Plugs, OEM Exhaust. CNC-Cut 2nd Gear Dogs; Ported/Milled Head; Modded Airbox: 8x8 Wix Panel Filter; #137.5 Main Jet, Viper Yellow Paint, Michelin Pilot Activ F/R, Interstate AGM Battery, 14MM MC, Maier Fairing, Cree LED Fog Lights.
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Originally posted by TopCatGr58 View PostBut T5 is full synthetic.
**I had a brain fart, fixed it in my post above** T.C.1979 XS1100F
2H9 Mod, Truck-Lite LED Headlight, TECHNA-FIT S/S Brake Lines, Rear Air Shocks, TKAT Fork Brace, Dyna DC-I Coils, TC Fuse Block, Barnett HD Clutch Springs, Superbike Handlebars, V-Star 650 ACCT, NGK Irridium Plugs, OEM Exhaust. CNC-Cut 2nd Gear Dogs; Ported/Milled Head; Modded Airbox: 8x8 Wix Panel Filter; #137.5 Main Jet, Viper Yellow Paint, Michelin Pilot Activ F/R, Interstate AGM Battery, 14MM MC, Maier Fairing, Cree LED Fog Lights.
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Originally posted by 650mark View PostRotella T 15w-40 is JASO MA rated, has no friction modifiers(lower half of the API circle is blank). a gallon jug of it sells for about $20.00 most places. I find it works well in my '80 special, at least as well so far as the much more expensive "motorcycle specific" oils I've used. of course, ymmv.
I agree however when I tried Rotella 15/40 oil consumption went up dramatically and returned to usual as soon as I used 20/50 again.
YMMV
Phil1981 XS1100 H Venturer ( Addie)
1983 XJ 650 Maxim
2004 Kawasaki Concours. ( Black Bear)
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Y'all wanna run Rotella go ahead...............good luck.Greg
Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.
The list changes.
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WEEEE, Another oil argu.......Discussion!! Its like what is your favorite beer. Every one has one, and yet they never seem to be the same.
Clutch slippage always shows in higher gears first. My old VW Bug was my first experience with it, only happened at highway speeds (55 MPH back then) in 4th gear. Funny, it was easier to replace the clutch on an F250 than on that bug. Interesting when you raise the car to move it off the engine.
Springs are pretty easy to replace, do not even need to drain the oil out. Just lean it on the side stand.Life is what happens while your planning everything else!
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Originally posted by MaximPhil View PostHi 650Mark,
I agree however when I tried Rotella 15/40 oil consumption went up dramatically and returned to usual as soon as I used 20/50 again.
YMMV
Phil81H Venturer1100 "The Bentley" (on steroids) 97 Yamaha YZ250(age reducer) 92 Honda ST1100 "Twisty"(touring rocket) Age is relative to the number of seconds counted 'airing' out an 85ft. table-top.
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Originally posted by 650mark View Postwhat is "usual" oil consumption for your bike? how many miles on your engine?
Phil1981 XS1100 H Venturer ( Addie)
1983 XJ 650 Maxim
2004 Kawasaki Concours. ( Black Bear)
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