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    This will be a little lengthy, but without the details, i don't think i can get good advice. Here we go!

    It has been almost four weeks since i have been able to ride. I was on a trip with a few friends, and found my mileage had dropped to 35 miles per gallon. I was running the same as i always do, so no difference there. One friend said it smelled a little rich. I also could not go over 80 MPH. It has not been able to go over 7000 RPM's for three years. It would act like it was running out of fuel. When i returned home, the first thing i done was change the coils and wires to the vfr coils. It did help a slight bit. I check the valve clearances again, and they were ok. I took the carbs off for rebuild. Ordered Kl kits from George Fix, and proceeded to clean the carbs. I did not want to soak, as they are black, and did not want to repaint. I intentionaly checked every passageway with carb cleaner twice, and with air. I found the passages blocked, one in the bowl, and the other two were partials in the pilot jet circuit. I checked jet sizes against the new ones, they were the same. Assembled the carbs with floats set at 23MM. Bench set the synch, and installed. The bike ran strong off idle, and would run easily up to and over red line, but the idle was horrible. I could not get more than 5 inches of vacuum anywhere on all carbs. I then took a cold compression check with the throttle wide open, and had 130 lbs across all four. I checked for vacuum leaks with carb cleaner, and again with propane, and found none. I decided to get new carb holders, to eliminate that possibility. After re-installing everything, I took it to a friend that has a motorcycle repair shop, and works on old bikes. We put the gauges on it, and could not get it to synch. We pulled the carbs again, and checked all passages, and levels. We wet set the floats, and bench synched. Re- installed the carbs, and checked the wet set on the bike. We then started adjusting, and synching. We finally got it all balanced out with great throttle response. It still would only pull 10 inches of vacuum. I took it for a ride, and went home. The ride was only 10 miles, and top speed was 80 MPH on the freeway. When exiting the freeway to the stop, the bike died. It started right back up, and i continued. At the next stop, it died again. I got home, and let it sit a minute, and tried to start it hot with no throttle, and it wouldn't. I waited 15 minutes and tried again with no luck. I decided to give it an hour and try. When i came back out i had fuel running out the airbox. Never had that problem before. I pulled the plugs, and cranked it. No.1 blew out a lot of fuel. The next morning i pulled the airbox off, and turned on the petcocks, only to find three carbs were flooding. Removed the carbs, and reset the floats my way with my calipers. Looked things over, drained my oil and took filter off. After re-installing the carbs, i turned the petcocks on to check for flooding. There was none, so i left the petcocks on for an hour to check it again, still no flooding. I reassembled everything, put new filter and oil in, and fired it. After adjusting the idle, i got ready for a test ride. The mixture screws are set at 1 1/2 turns out, and i didn't touch our sych settings, as they were good from before, and didn't really think they would have changed. Went for a fifteen mile run, and all seemed fine except for the idle. When i got home, i tried to start it hot, and it would not start without a little throttle. (this is how it has always been) Let it sit for 15 minutes and tried again, same thing. Let it cool down about 4 hours and tried to start it with the same result. After sitting overnight, i went to start it, and found that i could not use the enrichment circuit to start. Had to start with just the throttle. Idle is still irregular, and it refuses to start without a little throttle. I am going to ride it a bit today, and Thursday is supposed to be nice out, so i will make about a 4 hour run, and see what it does, and check the mileage. I don't know what else to say except that i could live with it, but it just isn't right. IDEAS!!
    1980 XS1100LG Midnight
    1991 Honda CBR1000F Hurricane


    "The hand is almost valueless at one end of the arm if there be not a brain at the other"

    Here's to a long life and a happy one.
    A quick death and an easy one.
    A pretty girl and an honest one.
    A cold beer and another one!

  • #2
    Clogged exhaust, filthy air filter
    Former owner, but I have NO PARTS LEFT!

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    • #3
      Did you replace pilot jets ? If so, they'd better be Mikunis, because K&L pilot jets are crap. Been there, done that. Also, did you ck the emulsion tubes? They need removal, and pin clean ALL the holes. Good luck.
      79 F
      Previously owned: (among others)
      1969 Harley- Davidson Rapido 125 (Aermacchi)
      1967 Suzuki X6 Hustler
      1973 Suzuki TM 125
      1979 XS1100 F
      2005 Kaw. Vulcan VN800
      1991 BMW K75

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      • #4
        Open the idle mix screw to 2.5 turns out and start over.
        Nathan
        KD9ARL

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        1978 XS1100E
        K&N Filter
        #45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
        OEM Exhaust
        ATK Fork Brace
        LED Dash lights
        Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters

        Green Monster Coils
        SS Brake Lines
        Vision 550 Auto Tensioner

        In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

        Theodore Roosevelt

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        • #5
          What MarkD said,

          GeorgeFix sells good stuff, but the K&L kits and their pilot jets are NOT good, they are too large and run too rich. That's why you can start it WITHOUT the choke, but you also have to give it a little "throttle" which is actually leaning it out by opening the butterfly letting more air in! I would bet if you pull your plugs, you'll find black sooty plugs!

          Get the Genuine Mikuni Pilot jets, and that will probably solve your start and idle problem.

          As for not being able to pull over 80 mph, you have good quality spark plug coils. I haven't reviewed your bike so I can't recall if you have any intake or exhaust mods vs. OEM? You said K&L kits, he provides both 120/125 mains along with the 110's, so curious what size mains you have installed?

          Have you taken a good look at your pu coil timing plate and cent. adv. parts, ensuring that they can rotate smoothly without binding/hanging up??

          T.C.
          T. C. Gresham
          81SH "Godzilla" . . .1179cc super-rat.
          79SF "The Teacher" . . .basket case!
          History shows again and again,
          How nature points out the folly of men!

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          • #6
            10 inches vacuum not so good..check valve timing and clearances. Also any possible leaks.
            Leaking into the airbox after carb rebuild is sign of either some corruption getting in there or rebuild not finished.
            Flooding from 3 carbs sounds even more like a faulty clean and rebuild. Does not make any difference what type of jets you have installed if the float does not stop fuel from flowing. If the fuel will not get to the mains who cares if it it from K+L or mikuni. As it is all flowing on the ground I will bet that you have to go back into the carbs and do it all again.
            2-79 XS1100 SF
            2-78 XS1100 E Best bike Ever
            80 XS 1100 SG Big bore kit but not fully running yet.
            Couple of more parts bikes of which 2 more will live!

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            • #7
              TC, the jets were 110, so that is what i put back in. The pilots i thought were the same, but maybe not. I checked the mechanical advance, and it was pulling 35 degrees, with the vac advance hooked in, it was maxing the 60 degree. Both appeared smooth. Maybe i will change the pilots back, and see what happens. Any one know what the vacuum should read on these bikes at about sea level? I know the cars pull anywhere fro 15 to 21 inches, but the bikes should be different.
              1980 XS1100LG Midnight
              1991 Honda CBR1000F Hurricane


              "The hand is almost valueless at one end of the arm if there be not a brain at the other"

              Here's to a long life and a happy one.
              A quick death and an easy one.
              A pretty girl and an honest one.
              A cold beer and another one!

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              • #8
                Re-installed the original pilot jets. It did help the idle. Now to get it synched again. Ill have to wait until tomorrow morning to see if i need the choke to start.
                1980 XS1100LG Midnight
                1991 Honda CBR1000F Hurricane


                "The hand is almost valueless at one end of the arm if there be not a brain at the other"

                Here's to a long life and a happy one.
                A quick death and an easy one.
                A pretty girl and an honest one.
                A cold beer and another one!

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                • #9
                  The pilot jets helped, but still not right. Pulled the carbs again yesterday. After inspecting all parts, i found that the mains were also wrong. They were stamped 110, but they were considerably smaller than the originals. Also i found that the air fuel mix screw was different. They had a smaller diameter on the end, and a different taper. I re-installed the old parts. The only thing i ended up keeping was the needle and seats, and the gasket. The bike now still does not idle well, and the high RPM lag problem is back, but not like it was. I have not synched yet, but will see if i can get it done. I would not recomend George fix's k&l kits to anyone. There is always a possibility of a mistake, so when i write him i will let him know the whole story. Makes me really consider if i want to order anything from him.
                  1980 XS1100LG Midnight
                  1991 Honda CBR1000F Hurricane


                  "The hand is almost valueless at one end of the arm if there be not a brain at the other"

                  Here's to a long life and a happy one.
                  A quick death and an easy one.
                  A pretty girl and an honest one.
                  A cold beer and another one!

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                  • #10
                    He sells great stuff. It's common knowledge regarding the K&L kits.
                    1979 XS1100F
                    2H9 Mod, Truck-Lite LED Headlight, TECHNA-FIT S/S Brake Lines, Rear Air Shocks, TKAT Fork Brace, Dyna DC-I Coils, TC Fuse Block, Barnett HD Clutch Springs, Superbike Handlebars, V-Star 650 ACCT, NGK Irridium Plugs, OEM Exhaust. CNC-Cut 2nd Gear Dogs; Ported/Milled Head; Modded Airbox: 8x8 Wix Panel Filter; #137.5 Main Jet, Viper Yellow Paint, Michelin Pilot Activ F/R, Interstate AGM Battery, 14MM MC, Maier Fairing, Cree LED Fog Lights.

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                    • #11
                      Well i put the original jets, and air fuel screw back in, set the floats, and got it synched. Back to running good. Not perfect yet on the top end, but close. I did do a search on the K&L kits, but didn't find anything. Probably my search skills. I will do a little more tinkering and see if i can get my top end working better. I did however purchase a 1991 Honda CBR1000 F Hurricane. Now the real fun in the corners begins.
                      1980 XS1100LG Midnight
                      1991 Honda CBR1000F Hurricane


                      "The hand is almost valueless at one end of the arm if there be not a brain at the other"

                      Here's to a long life and a happy one.
                      A quick death and an easy one.
                      A pretty girl and an honest one.
                      A cold beer and another one!

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