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    Transmission help.

    Okay, so today I finally decided to fire up the beast since the winter time tear down, I know, I know, I'm slacking. It started right up and sounds good. I let it idle for a good 15 - 20 minutes then put it in first gear to get some oil moving around in the gears. I know on the gear fix thread it was mentioned that sometimes it will not shift through all the gears for a bit until things get lubed. Well after another 15 - 20 minutes trying over and over, it will not go into second. This is on the center stand so I don't know if that has anything to do with it, but I still think it should be getting second.

    The only thing I can think of that I may have done wrong is this. The thread mentions to move the 5th gear washer to the other side so the cogs and slots mesh better so I did that. There is also another gear in there, not sure which one, but I did the same on that. It's the only other gear that has the washer like 5th has. Did I screw up?
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  • #2
    The only other thing I can think that it may be is either a dry shift cam, or I somehow damaged the shift cam where the shift forks slide on it. It just chatters when I try to grab second.
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    • #3
      Hey Dogg,

      I've heard/read about someone(Trbig IIRC) putting a washer on the END of the countershaft but it caused more problems, but just putting the large washer that's normally between the 4th and 1st gear wheel on the otherside of the 4th gear shouldn't cause 2nd not to engage. But I don't know if allowing the 4th gear wheel to engage farther into 1st might also cause it to misalign on the gears on the PRIMARY shaft??

      Aside from that, there's also an alignment check you can do on the Shift Pawl and shift drum...per the manual, placing it in 2nd gear position, the notches on the drum should align with the notch on the shift pawl arm, if not, then you can adjust the postion of the shift pawl so that the notches will align. This will then allow the full movement of the shift pawl to rotate the drum properly for full shifting action. Can you shift beyond 2nd into 3rd or 4th??

      T.C.
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      • #4
        No, it doesn't shift beyond 2nd, I really kept things in order when it was torn apart. I think it must be the shift cam not rotating. It acts a bit funny trying to go into neutral as well. I'm confused.

        The middle shift fork slides a gear further up in the transmission. Before I put it together, I noticed it was binding a little on the shaft and causing some weirdness as well, but I thought it would loosen up once the oil circulated. I'm sure I have all the washers and spacers in the right place except for the ones I mentioned, What spacer were you talking about that caused the problems on the other bike? I may have to tear it down again, this sucks.
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        • #5
          I wonder if it's possible that I put the shift cam in the wrong position, although I don't know how that could even happen.
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          • #6
            I think I'll tear it apart and see what's going on in there. I'm going to double check my shift cam, check all my spacers, make sure there are no nicks in the channels, and put that one washer back where it should be. This is a bummer.
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            • #7
              Hate to say it, but going back in is probably the best bet. We suggest, or at least I thought I had it in the tech tip, to do a test run of shifting the gears thru the full set by slowly turning the rear wheel before putting the clutch assembly back on , so that folks can catch any problems before buttoning them up!? Don't know if you might have swapped the wrong shift fork position...1st for 3rd ???

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              • #8
                I thought I found where those were numbered. Something is definitely binding. I'll get it squared away. Another trouble I had, is the engine was out when I did this. Trying to shift things when it was half torn apart was hard to do. Thanks for the help.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by TopCatGr58 View Post
                  Hate to say it, but going back in is probably the best bet. We suggest, or at least I thought I had it in the tech tip, to do a test run of shifting the gears thru the full set by slowly turning the rear wheel before putting the clutch assembly back on , so that folks can catch any problems before buttoning them up!? Don't know if you might have swapped the wrong shift fork position...1st for 3rd ???

                  T.C.
                  You know you may have just nailed it right there too. Have you heard of this before?
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                  • #10
                    I may tear apart my tranny today and tomorrow. I'm going to put that one washer back to where it should be and check the alignment of everything more thoroughly. The biggest question I have is about the position of the shift forks. How should they be numbered?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Yard Dogg View Post
                      I may tear apart my tranny today and tomorrow. I'm going to put that one washer back to where it should be and check the alignment of everything more thoroughly. The biggest question I have is about the position of the shift forks. How should they be numbered?
                      1-2-3 left to right (sitting on bike).
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                      • #12
                        I'll be darned, I think my 1 and 3 shift forks are screwed up. The first pic is of the ones in the 5th gear thread. The second pic is of mine. The #3 fork from the thread matches the one I have in the #1 place. Stooopid me. If you loo at how the two forks on the left in my picture are up against each other, that explains why the shift cam won't move past a certain point. Easy fix.

                        Last edited by Yard Dogg; 05-04-2013, 07:29 PM.
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                        • #13
                          Yep, long side goes to the outside. You seem to have the outside forks swapped. BTDT. Good reason to check the shifting before putting the rest back together.
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                          • #14
                            Okay it shifts through all the gears now. I just need to finish buttoning it up. Thanks for the help.
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