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  • Nightengale
    XSive Maximus
    • Jun 2011
    • 521
    • Hampton, VA.

    #1

    need a little help

    i know i have seen a thread on here that talks about putting a 16 inch special rim on a standard, but i cant seem to find it anywhere. i was just wondering if any thing needed to be done to make it work. i thought i read that you would have to modify the drive shaft tube, but not sure if that wasnt just for the wider tire. any help will be greatly appreciated. and the reason that i am switching to the 16 inch is for a wider selection of tires, especially white walls. i havent been able to find one in the 17 inch, and i have been looking since i first got the bike almost two years ago. thanks in advance for the help.
    xs1100 hartail bobber

    http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/...-38-36_563.jpg
  • bikerphil
    Master of XSology
    • Jan 2008
    • 8634
    • South Flori-DUH

    #2
    You also need the brackets for the brake caliper and the axle spacers and it will fit.
    2H7 (79) owned since '89
    3H3 owned since '06

    "If it ain't broke, modify it"

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    • cpmaynard1980
      Truly XSive
      • Feb 2013
      • 183
      • Hampton, VA.

      #3
      im sure we can figure it out. when i switched to the 17on the 850 it was a direct swap. someone before used washers as an axle spacer on the 850 so i used the 750's axle spacer on the 850. I dont know if that applies to what your doing. lol. Hell i dont know much. lol.
      1979 XS1100 Special. Nicely modified.
      1977 KZ1000 needs everything!
      1971 CB750 Nice Restomod Completed
      1972 CB750 Got it going after 30 years. Getting turned into a old school bobber. Working on a title.

      SOLD-1981 XS1100H What got me on this site.
      1980ish virago 535. Room mate left it for rent money. lol.
      1980 XS850 almost stock 20k miles.
      1979 XS750 Parts bike no title.
      1979 XS750 Cafe running,someone else can enjoy it.
      RIP-1980 XS850

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      • crazy steve
        XS-XJ Guru MODERATOR
        • Jan 2009
        • 7932
        • Beautiful outer Yelm, WA

        #4
        Here's the difference.... the pic is fuzzy, but you still should be able to tell...



        On the left is the Special caliper bracket and spacer, right is the standard. To swap to the 16" from the 17" you need the Special parts. The inner spacer for the Special is .300" thicker, the bracket is different, and you don't use the outer standard spacer.

        The reason for the different parts is the Special wheel moves the brake rotor outboard .3" further with different machining.
        Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

        '78E original owner - resto project
        '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
        '82 XJ rebuild project
        '80SG restified, red SOLD
        '79F parts...
        '81H more parts...

        Other current bikes:
        '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
        '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
        '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
        Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
        Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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        • Nightengale
          XSive Maximus
          • Jun 2011
          • 521
          • Hampton, VA.

          #5
          height

          would there be much of a hight difference between the 17 and 16.
          xs1100 hartail bobber

          http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/...-38-36_563.jpg

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          • crazy steve
            XS-XJ Guru MODERATOR
            • Jan 2009
            • 7932
            • Beautiful outer Yelm, WA

            #6
            One inch, or 1/2" ride height....
            Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

            '78E original owner - resto project
            '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
            '82 XJ rebuild project
            '80SG restified, red SOLD
            '79F parts...
            '81H more parts...

            Other current bikes:
            '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
            '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
            '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
            Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
            Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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            • cpmaynard1980
              Truly XSive
              • Feb 2013
              • 183
              • Hampton, VA.

              #7
              Here I go with 850 stuff again. lol. It wasn't much but it was noticeable when i switched up.
              1979 XS1100 Special. Nicely modified.
              1977 KZ1000 needs everything!
              1971 CB750 Nice Restomod Completed
              1972 CB750 Got it going after 30 years. Getting turned into a old school bobber. Working on a title.

              SOLD-1981 XS1100H What got me on this site.
              1980ish virago 535. Room mate left it for rent money. lol.
              1980 XS850 almost stock 20k miles.
              1979 XS750 Parts bike no title.
              1979 XS750 Cafe running,someone else can enjoy it.
              RIP-1980 XS850

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              • cpmaynard1980
                Truly XSive
                • Feb 2013
                • 183
                • Hampton, VA.

                #8
                crazy thought but would it be possible to remove/ machine .3 from the 16in wheel to make the current brake setup work?
                1979 XS1100 Special. Nicely modified.
                1977 KZ1000 needs everything!
                1971 CB750 Nice Restomod Completed
                1972 CB750 Got it going after 30 years. Getting turned into a old school bobber. Working on a title.

                SOLD-1981 XS1100H What got me on this site.
                1980ish virago 535. Room mate left it for rent money. lol.
                1980 XS850 almost stock 20k miles.
                1979 XS750 Parts bike no title.
                1979 XS750 Cafe running,someone else can enjoy it.
                RIP-1980 XS850

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                • DGXSER
                  Doctor of XSology(Deceased)
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 12001
                  • Cincinnati, Ohio

                  #9
                  Swapping to the Special 16" wheel does not change the actual brake caliper or its mounting. Just the bracket Steve showed, and the corresponding spacers.

                  These are fairly common parts, and not typically broken or damaged so with as many bikes as there are out there broken apart there are plenty of these parts available so the machining would not make much sense...IMHO.
                  Life is what happens while your planning everything else!

                  When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.

                  81 XS1100 Special - Humpty Dumpty
                  80 XS1100 Special - Project Resurrection


                  Previously owned
                  93 GSX600F
                  80 XS1100 Special - Ruby
                  81 XS1100 Special
                  81 CB750 C
                  80 CB750 C
                  78 XS750

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                  • crazy steve
                    XS-XJ Guru MODERATOR
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 7932
                    • Beautiful outer Yelm, WA

                    #10
                    Originally posted by cpmaynard1980
                    crazy thought but would it be possible to remove/ machine .3 from the 16in wheel to make the current brake setup work?
                    Possible if you have a lathe that will swing something that big in diameter... but you don't want to do that. The reason for the different machining is with the smaller diameter wheel, if they had left the rotor where it was you would have to remove the wheel/brake assembly off the bike to get the caliper off. Bit of a pain if you need to do any brake work (like changing pads... )...
                    Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

                    '78E original owner - resto project
                    '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
                    '82 XJ rebuild project
                    '80SG restified, red SOLD
                    '79F parts...
                    '81H more parts...

                    Other current bikes:
                    '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
                    '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
                    '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
                    Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
                    Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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                    • fredintoon
                      Master of XSology
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 6795
                      • Saskatoon SK

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Nightengale
                      would there be much of a hight difference between the 17 and 16.
                      Hi John,
                      not as much as you'd think; the 16" wheel runs a fatter tire so some of what you lose on the wheel radius you gain on the tire height.
                      Fred Hill, S'toon
                      XS11SG with Spirit of America sidecar
                      "The Flying Pumpkin"

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                      • Nightengale
                        XSive Maximus
                        • Jun 2011
                        • 521
                        • Hampton, VA.

                        #12
                        Originally posted by fredintoon
                        Hi John,
                        not as much as you'd think; the 16" wheel runs a fatter tire so some of what you lose on the wheel radius you gain on the tire height.
                        i didnt think that it would much , on my other build i am doing right now it had an 18inch rear and i switched to a 16 and there was a difference but it wasnt as much as i thought.
                        xs1100 hartail bobber

                        http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/...-38-36_563.jpg

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                        • Nightengale
                          XSive Maximus
                          • Jun 2011
                          • 521
                          • Hampton, VA.

                          #13
                          rim

                          the rim i am getting is off of a xs850, would it have the same bracket that i need, to make the switch to the 16.
                          xs1100 hartail bobber

                          http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/...-38-36_563.jpg

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                          • DGXSER
                            Doctor of XSology(Deceased)
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 12001
                            • Cincinnati, Ohio

                            #14
                            I do not know for sure, if you go to http://www.cmsnl.com/ you can look at parts fishe for pretty much any bike. I use it all the time. You can compare the part number for the XS850 components to the ones for the XS11 and see if they match. Not always going to give you the full story, but it certainly is a good start.
                            Life is what happens while your planning everything else!

                            When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.

                            81 XS1100 Special - Humpty Dumpty
                            80 XS1100 Special - Project Resurrection


                            Previously owned
                            93 GSX600F
                            80 XS1100 Special - Ruby
                            81 XS1100 Special
                            81 CB750 C
                            80 CB750 C
                            78 XS750

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                            • Petersg_99
                              Truly XSive
                              • Apr 2012
                              • 184
                              • Phoenix, AZ.

                              #15
                              Originally posted by DGXSER
                              I do not know for sure, if you go to http://www.cmsnl.com/ you can look at parts fishe for pretty much any bike. I use it all the time. You can compare the part number for the XS850 components to the ones for the XS11 and see if they match. Not always going to give you the full story, but it certainly is a good start.
                              +1, Thanks for the link. Is there any place on the forum that lists all the useful links people have found?
                              Guy

                              1980 XS1100G - Frankenstein - resurrected from the impound lot
                              1991 Suzuki GS500E (not running yet)
                              2003 Burgman AN400 - Blue Belle
                              2005 Burgman AN400 - Silver Belle

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