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  • My saga continues with the Green Monster

    No compression on #4! And here's why:





    As you can see I burned right thru the ring on the head gasket!
    The gasses were heating up the stud and making it expand and then the head nut would spin as the engine ran.
    I found this on my way to work Friday. I pulled off the interstate and tightened the nut and thought there was a little more exhaust noise, but didnt' have the time to investigate until Sat. morning. (thre more times on the ride home friday afternoon)
    Got 0 psi compression in #4 so, I pulled the head and found the above.

    Here's a pic of the head: (the top right you can see a little where the gasses were coming out.)



    Lesson #1 learned this weekend, always clean off ALL the old gasket material no matter how little of it appears to be there. That was a $52 new head gasket gone in one week. Obviously, I wasn't getting a tight seal with the ~25ftlbs torque of the head bolts/nuts.

    So I get the old head gasket and it looks mostly good. I shoot it with some metalic paint (lilke some have suggested here) and start putting the head back on. (after cleaning off ALL the old gasket 'paint' stuff that was on there before)

    What do you call it when you do the same mistake twice ..?
    I put the exhaust cam in the intake side and almost got it all the way tightened down when it started getting too tight and hard to get the cam cap down all the way. DOH!! wrong cam.... Okay, I've done this before, maybe I haven't damaged anything.
    Swap the cams back the right way and get the timing marks all lined up and spin it with the starter and #4 sucks when the valve is supposed to be closed. (and 0psi compression) BENT VALVE!!

    Lesson #2: Double check and make sure you've got the right cam in the right spot before the first cam cap goes on.
    This is when I call it quits on Saturday.

    Sunday, I pull the head back off. (I'm getting pretty efficient at this)
    Sure enough I can see sunlight thru the intake boot thru the bent valve.
    I pull an intake valve out of the SG head, (Scarlet doesn't need it right now)
    and put it in the G's head and give it a quick lapping. Put the head back on and had a hell of a time with the timing chain because it slipped off the drive gear down in the engine. Got it buttoned all up and averaged 120psi on all 4! best numbers I've seen on the G in years.
    I decided to swap out the carb diaphram and slides with the SG, because the old ones wouldn't hold the slide up with the thumb over the hotdog hole.
    Holy cow, he runs like a champ now. He had so much power off the line that I was a little shocked.

    I still haven't had a chance to pull the steering bearings out for a lube or get the fork seal changed yet, but I did get a few mins to at least bleed some new brake fluid thru the front calipers, maybe that'll help with the sticking front for a while.

    Now I have something to ride to work and now I can focus more on getting the SG ressurected for XSEast !
    Hi, my name is George & I'm a twisty addict!

    80G (Green paint(PO idea))
    The Green Monster
    K&N A/F, TC's fuse block, '81 oil cooler, TC's homemade 4-2 w/Mac Mufflers, Raptor 660 ACCT
    Got him in '04.
    bald tire & borrowing parts

    80SG (Black w/red emblems & calipers)
    Scarlet
    K&N A/F, TC's fuse block, WJ5, Shoei bags, Raptor 660 ACCT.
    Got her in '11
    Ready for the twisties!

    81H (previously CPMaynard's)
    Hugo
    Full Venturer, Indigo Blue with B/W painted tank.
    Cold weather ride

  • #2
    hope everything goes well with the engine, just let me know if i can help with anything.
    xs1100 hartail bobber

    http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/...-38-36_563.jpg

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    • #3
      Never, ever ignore a possible head gasket failure. Those gasses can easily slice a hole down the side of an engine block.

      Good luck!
      Nathan
      KD9ARL

      μολὼν λαβέ

      1978 XS1100E
      K&N Filter
      #45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
      OEM Exhaust
      ATK Fork Brace
      LED Dash lights
      Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters

      Green Monster Coils
      SS Brake Lines
      Vision 550 Auto Tensioner

      In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

      Theodore Roosevelt

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      • #4
        Hey George,

        I was going to comment about using a used head gasket, until I saw that HAD used a NEW headgasket! Are you doing the torquing of the head bolts/nuts in 2 stages, first to ~14, and then again to the 25? AND are you then retorquing them after the first warm up and cool down cycle?! That's what I've been told/taught after reassembling these engines. The retorquing is just to ensure that they stay at the 25 ft/lbs after the heat expansion from the first running/warmup and then cool down.

        Glad to hear the comps are up on all four. Yeah, they do make decent power when hitting evenly! Now you can work on the heart transplant for the SG!

        T.C.
        T. C. Gresham
        81SH "Godzilla" . . .1179cc super-rat.
        79SF "The Teacher" . . .basket case!
        History shows again and again,
        How nature points out the folly of men!

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        • #5
          I've done a few motors, and when I used a new head gasket (Many times I re-use them) and torqued like I was supposed to, then rode the bike, every time the head nuts were really loose after the motor cooled. The heat expands the head/cylinders and it smashes the gasket together. When it cools, it leaves a gap there for gasses to get by if you don't re-torque again.

          I know many won't do it.. it just goes against everything they've always learned, but I've re-used head gaskets many times and never had a failure. AND.. when you torque the head on, the gasket is already pre-squished, so you'll likely not have to tighten the head bolts after the first ride.
          Try your hardest to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are.

          You can live to be 100, as long as you give up everything that would make you want to live to be 100!

          Current bikes:
          '06 Suzuki DR650
          *'82 XJ1100 with the 1179 kit. "Mad Maxim"
          '82 XJ1100 Completely stock fixer-upper
          '82 XJ1100 Bagger fixer-upper
          '82 XJ1100 Motor/frame and lots of boxes of parts
          '82 XJ1100 Parts bike
          '81 XS1100 Special
          '81 YZ250
          '80 XS850 Special
          '80 XR100
          *Crashed/Totalled, still own

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          • #6
            Wow, you got that fixed pretty quick. Mistakes have made you a better bike mechanic!
            Skids (Sid Hansen)

            Down to one 1978 E. Stock air box with K&N filter, 81H pipes and carbs, 8500 feet elevation.

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            • #7
              GloweVA, did i read your signiture right? 100k miles on the green monster? Wow!
              1979 XS1100 Special. Nicely modified.
              1977 KZ1000 needs everything!
              1971 CB750 Nice Restomod Completed
              1972 CB750 Got it going after 30 years. Getting turned into a old school bobber. Working on a title.

              SOLD-1981 XS1100H What got me on this site.
              1980ish virago 535. Room mate left it for rent money. lol.
              1980 XS850 almost stock 20k miles.
              1979 XS750 Parts bike no title.
              1979 XS750 Cafe running,someone else can enjoy it.
              RIP-1980 XS850

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              • #8
                Originally posted by cpmaynard1980 View Post
                GloweVA, did i read your signiture right? 100k miles on the green monster? Wow!
                I'm on my 2nd speedo. The first one blew up around 83K and the PO had no speedo cable for a few months while he was driving it daily too.
                So the 100K+ is more of a conservative estimate at this point.

                @skids, yeah, I'm getting pretty proficient at head removals. Almost like I'm in 18th century France with a guillitine.

                This afternoon when I get home, I plan on checking the torque on those head nuts while the engine is still warm.

                Then this weekend is all about the SG Transplant!!! Time is running out until XSEast.
                Hi, my name is George & I'm a twisty addict!

                80G (Green paint(PO idea))
                The Green Monster
                K&N A/F, TC's fuse block, '81 oil cooler, TC's homemade 4-2 w/Mac Mufflers, Raptor 660 ACCT
                Got him in '04.
                bald tire & borrowing parts

                80SG (Black w/red emblems & calipers)
                Scarlet
                K&N A/F, TC's fuse block, WJ5, Shoei bags, Raptor 660 ACCT.
                Got her in '11
                Ready for the twisties!

                81H (previously CPMaynard's)
                Hugo
                Full Venturer, Indigo Blue with B/W painted tank.
                Cold weather ride

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by GLoweVA View Post
                  @skids, yeah, I'm getting pretty proficient at head removals. Almost like I'm in 18th century France with a guillitine.
                  Very clever! "Off with her head!"
                  Skids (Sid Hansen)

                  Down to one 1978 E. Stock air box with K&N filter, 81H pipes and carbs, 8500 feet elevation.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GLoweVA View Post
                    This afternoon when I get home, I plan on checking the torque on those head nuts while the engine is still warm.
                    .
                    Hey George,

                    Checking the torque is good, but you want the engine back to COOL so any expansion tension is released and then you can get the most out of any retorquing done.

                    T.C.
                    T. C. Gresham
                    81SH "Godzilla" . . .1179cc super-rat.
                    79SF "The Teacher" . . .basket case!
                    History shows again and again,
                    How nature points out the folly of men!

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                    • #11
                      Thanks TC, I didn't do them hot, I waited til this morning and they were all good.

                      I spent the morning going thru the donor engine for the SG and it's got good compression on all 4: about 120# each!
                      All the electricals check out too. Stator, pickup coils, etc.
                      I got the SG's engine ready to be pulled too.
                      All the motor mounts are loose and all electrical conectors undone, so it's ready to come out now.

                      Too bad I've got to work on Sunday, but at least I'll be on the peninsula and can swing by Charles or at least John's place for a visit after I'm done at work.

                      Maybe next weekend it'll be warm enough to get that engine out and new one in.
                      Hi, my name is George & I'm a twisty addict!

                      80G (Green paint(PO idea))
                      The Green Monster
                      K&N A/F, TC's fuse block, '81 oil cooler, TC's homemade 4-2 w/Mac Mufflers, Raptor 660 ACCT
                      Got him in '04.
                      bald tire & borrowing parts

                      80SG (Black w/red emblems & calipers)
                      Scarlet
                      K&N A/F, TC's fuse block, WJ5, Shoei bags, Raptor 660 ACCT.
                      Got her in '11
                      Ready for the twisties!

                      81H (previously CPMaynard's)
                      Hugo
                      Full Venturer, Indigo Blue with B/W painted tank.
                      Cold weather ride

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by GLoweVA View Post
                        Thanks TC, I didn't do them hot, I waited til this morning and they were all good.

                        I spent the morning going thru the donor engine for the SG and it's got good compression on all 4: about 120# each!
                        All the electricals check out too. Stator, pickup coils, etc.
                        I got the SG's engine ready to be pulled too.
                        All the motor mounts are loose and all electrical conectors undone, so it's ready to come out now.

                        Too bad I've got to work on Sunday, but at least I'll be on the peninsula and can swing by Charles or at least John's place for a visit after I'm done at work.

                        Maybe next weekend it'll be warm enough to get that engine out and new one in.
                        just give me a call i should be around
                        xs1100 hartail bobber

                        http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/...-38-36_563.jpg

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                        • #13
                          same here if ya want.
                          1979 XS1100 Special. Nicely modified.
                          1977 KZ1000 needs everything!
                          1971 CB750 Nice Restomod Completed
                          1972 CB750 Got it going after 30 years. Getting turned into a old school bobber. Working on a title.

                          SOLD-1981 XS1100H What got me on this site.
                          1980ish virago 535. Room mate left it for rent money. lol.
                          1980 XS850 almost stock 20k miles.
                          1979 XS750 Parts bike no title.
                          1979 XS750 Cafe running,someone else can enjoy it.
                          RIP-1980 XS850

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