engine mounting

[Rasputin]

Anybody have any suggestions for this? I put the engine in place by myself and had no damage. Now I have wrecked my paint etc because I can not get the rear mounts to drop down into place. Is there a clocking to the mounts that I am not using or any other things you guys may notice stopping it from dropping into place. The front two mounts will accept the bolts, but I can not get the rear mount to go in. I have used 4 different rubber isolators and two different spacers but am having no luck at all.
Guess I should have asked before wrecking stuff but the paint can be repaired. The U-joint is free and clear so it is not an issue. Hopefully you guys can help correct what I am doing wrong.
The rear mounts look like this right now, but with your help will have a bolt through them soon...lol.





Just makes me sick looking at the damage I have done but after 4 hours of trying I am ready to get out the torch and spread the damn frame.

[Rasputin]

The front two lower mounts have a bolt loosely mounted in them. The uppers are not yet installed. Just some more info.

[bikerphil]

Is it possible that the front mounts may be either upside down or reversed left and right somehow? JAT

[Rasputin]

Nope as they are welded to the frame. I do appreciate the thought though. Thanks.

[bikerphil]

Nope as they are welded to the frame. I do appreciate the thought though. Thanks.

Yep, but if the top front mounts were off, that would tilt the motor up a bit in the back, no? JAT

[Rasputin]

The top front mounts are still beside the motor. The bottom front are just having the bolts put through them. The back mounts are where the issue seems to be.

[mack]

Mounting

It has to be hanging up in something. I've always installed my rear bolt first. Usually I have a bar thru the upper mounts with a wratchet strap over the yoke. Once I have the rear bolt in I let the motor down and install the front lowers next. The upper mounts and brackets are the last to go in and it usually involves lifting the motor up a bit to get the bolt through the upper brackets. I've never seen one hang up like that. I assume the head is on etc. so your wiggle room is minimal.

[ViperRon]

Is this the engine that came out of that frame? Are these the mounts that came with that engine? I ask because I have slipped the engine in all by myself before by using 2 4 foot long rods put threw the mount holes using engine stands on one side and a cable lift on the other to slide it in. Usually after getting it in the frame I used an floor jack to support it from the bottom pulled the rods out slid the lubricated mounts in and it slid right into place.

I did have my mounts organized so the right one went back where it came from. I can not remember if there is a difference but that would be the only change in thickness making it tight. The tube that surrounds the bolt in the center I guess could bind and hold the mounts out. Sorry for the scratches to the paint

[crazy steve]

The only thing I can think of is you may have one of the front mounts swapped for a rear. They aren't the same (but look the same at a fast glance), with the inner sleeve being longer on the fronts IIRC. The one with the 'flat spot' is correct, it's probably the other one giving you fits....

[mack]

One other point.

God this was your LH your working on? Man I'd be out of my mind right now.
I was just going to say that I always feed the rear bolt in from the left side. That way if you ever have to work on the clutch, you can easly get access to all the cover bolts by only having to remove one side of the foot peg stuff and let it dangle. Good luck man, by the way the gas cap was in great shape. Pm me and we can settle up.

[Rasputin]

God this was your LH your working on? Man I'd be out of my mind right now.
I was just going to say that I always feed the rear bolt in from the left side. That way if you ever have to work on the clutch, you can easly get access to all the cover bolts by only having to remove one side of the foot peg stuff and let it dangle. Good luck man, by the way the gas cap was in great shape. Pm me and we can settle up.

Pretty much out of my mind right now Mack! It will fit in with the spacer between the rubber mounts removed. It seems so very close with the spacer in that it seems it should go. I was thinking of putting the bolt in from the left side and then pushing it through with a bolt from the right side (like in the fiche) and while doing that I would mount the pegs and etc.
As soon as I remove the spacer it drops in and fits like Mom and Dad used to.
The spacer/tube makes it impossible to fit in.
Like I have said I have tried more than one spacer, isolator mount, and more than one position on everything I could.
Still a no go.
Oh and bye the way we are already square on the other deal.

[crazy steve]

After looking at my loose bushings, I'm convinced you have a front bushing in the rear. Both rear bushings should have that 'flat spot' on them, and the bolt hole on the clutch side bushing looks small too. That will cause the problem you're having....

[Rasputin]

After looking at my loose bushings, I'm convinced you have a front bushing in the rear. Both rear bushings should have that 'flat spot' on them, and the bolt hole on the clutch side bushing looks small too. That will cause the problem you're having....

Both of the rear bushings have the flat spot. The front bushings are smaller as the bolt that goes through is a smaller diameter. Is there a clocking to these rear bushings that I am not yet aware of?

[crazy steve]

There is on the one on the clutch side; it will only go all the way into it's hole in one position, so if it's 'turned' a bit, you won't get the motor to drop into the frame. All the rest of the mounts it doesn't matter...

[Rasputin]

There is on the one on the clutch side; it will only go all the way into it's hole in one position, so if it's 'turned' a bit, you won't get the motor to drop into the frame. All the rest of the mounts it doesn't matter...

So what would you suggest for clocking that particular isolator? It only fits in one way as far as I can see due to clearance issues.