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  • #16
    When you

    cleaned the carbs, how far down did you strip them? IE did you strip the bank a part and clean the linkages and springs near the idle ajustment screws? if 1&2 balanced easily and 3&4 same. The issue didn't manifest itself until you tried to dial in 2&3 i'd say the likely culpret is the spring and tab location if the cable isn't hanging. Dwayne had the same problem last year at the north rally. He had take the carbs off and work the throttle likages with spray lub to get the butterflys to close properly. That happened on the first day and he drove it all the way up from the south before it happened.
    mack
    79 XS 1100 SF Special
    HERMES
    original owner
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    81 XS 1100 LH MNS
    SPICA
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    78 XS 11E
    IOTA
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    • #17
      You need to look and see why there is at least one carb being held open.

      Did you do any carb work when you had it apart?
      Greg

      Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

      ― Albert Einstein

      80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

      The list changes.

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      • #18
        JAT, could it be the throttle adjustment up at the handlebars too tight and actually shortening the cable and not letting it return to its stop at the carbs ?
        Last edited by Schming; 02-16-2013, 09:10 PM.
        1980 XS1100G "Dolly G" Full Dresser (with a coat of many colors )
        1979 XS1100SF (stock-euro mods planned)
        1984 XV700L Virago (to be hot-modded)
        1983 XJ750MK Midnight Maxim (semi-restored DD)
        1977 XS650D ( patiently awaiting resto)

        Sometimes it takes a whole tank of gas before you can think straight.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Schming View Post
          JAT, could it be the throttle adjustment up at the handlebars too tight and actually shortening the cable and not letting it return to its stop at the carbs ?
          That is one of the reasons I said to disconnect the throttle cable from the carbs and see if that makes a difference.

          However, if I understand what was posted the problem didn't manifest itself until the sync was attempted.
          Greg

          Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

          ― Albert Einstein

          80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

          The list changes.

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          • #20
            You don't have a clamp preventing movement do you?
            When you rotate the grip and release does it snap back?
            You might need to adjust pilot screws now that the synch has changed idle vacuums are changed but I would make sure there are no air leaks 1st.
            Skids (Sid Hansen)

            Down to one 1978 E. Stock air box with K&N filter, 81H pipes and carbs, 8500 feet elevation.

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            • #21
              My money is on something holding the throttle cable.
              Life is what happens while your planning everything else!

              When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.

              81 XS1100 Special - Humpty Dumpty
              80 XS1100 Special - Project Resurrection


              Previously owned
              93 GSX600F
              80 XS1100 Special - Ruby
              81 XS1100 Special
              81 CB750 C
              80 CB750 C
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              • #22
                Originally posted by skids View Post
                You don't have a clamp preventing movement do you?
                Good point skids. A clamp slightly out of place can do that too.
                Greg

                Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                ― Albert Einstein

                80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

                The list changes.

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                • #23
                  I hate to suggest it, but you might be best off if you pull the carbs, bench sync them and re-do the sync on the bike.

                  It sounds like something got really out of whack and it might be easiest if you start over...
                  Guy

                  1980 XS1100G - Frankenstein - resurrected from the impound lot
                  1991 Suzuki GS500E (not running yet)
                  2003 Burgman AN400 - Blue Belle
                  2005 Burgman AN400 - Silver Belle

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                  • #24
                    before I pulled the carbs back off,I'd do as been suggested on here,and check all the cables,and anything that may affect it's operation.Start with the obvious and work toward the most complex.Imho.
                    FOXS-XS11SG

                    2009 Suzuki V Strom 650,Adventure in Touring,I call her "Smooth" SW Motech engine guard,Coocase top case w/ LED brake and tail lights,20" MRA touring screen w/adjusable bracket,Grip heaters,fender ex-tender,Givi hard sidebags

                    1980 XS11SG-sold
                    1999 Vulcan classic-sold
                    1982 XJ 650-sold

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                    • #25
                      No matter

                      How you slice it, something is causing the #3 carb butterfly to hang up. Cable , throttle linkage, dirt or foreign object.
                      mack
                      79 XS 1100 SF Special
                      HERMES
                      original owner
                      http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps6932d5df.jpg

                      81 XS 1100 LH MNS
                      SPICA
                      http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/mack-055/2.jpg

                      78 XS 11E
                      IOTA
                      https://youtu.be/wB5Jfbp6SUc
                      https://youtu.be/RaI3WYHSuWA



                      Have recovery trailer and shop if you breakdown in my area.
                      Frankford, Ont, Canada
                      613-398-6186

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by BA80 View Post
                        I'm going to go out on a limb and say that's where your problem is. You can't properly sync carbs above about 800RPM.
                        +1 on that RPM sync! Larry, presuming those are the later carbs since bike is an 80model(correct?), your initial fuel mix setting should start out at 2 1/2 turns out, not 1 1/2 turns from seated. That would explain the lean high rpm's. Then U have to set fuel mix initially. Can be done one of two ways. Back them out till JUST hits the highest rpm, re-sync. Repeat BOTH till no change. The 'lean drop' method backs srews out a few turns from initial setting, then SLOWLY in till you hear the ever so slightest change/rpm drop, at which time back mixture screw out 1/8th to 1/4 turn. Either way works, and each method will be within an 1/8th turn of each other. Repetition is key. There is no such thing as setting mixture screws and syncin' with one pass over things and callin' it a sync......not happening.
                        81H Venturer1100 "The Bentley" (on steroids) 97 Yamaha YZ250(age reducer) 92 Honda ST1100 "Twisty"(touring rocket) Age is relative to the number of seconds counted 'airing' out an 85ft. table-top.

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                        • #27
                          Did you take out the butterflies?

                          When I rebuilt mine I tore them all the way down. When I re-assembled them one of the butterflies wasn't perfectly in place which led to them all staying just a hair open. It was enough that I couldn't get the idle down below 1600.

                          If you did, loosen the screws and open/close them a few times quickly to get them lined up properly.
                          Nate

                          78 XS11 "Matilda" 2H7 000364

                          2001 Raptor ACCT, T.C. Fuse Box, TC Bros Forward Controls
                          Kuryakyn Iso Grips/Throttleboss/Bar End Mirror, Custom Covered Seat
                          Shinko 712s, HID Headlight, RC Performance Exhaust
                          Bikemaster Daytona Handlebars, Galfer SS Brake Lines
                          Barnett HD Clutch Springs, T.C. Spin On Filter Adapter
                          K+N Air Filter

                          88 Voyager XII
                          81 XJ650 Maxim

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                          • #28
                            I will take the carbs off and have a look. I eyeballed them before I put them back on, but I've been walking the line between getting them to spec and leaving them as they were when the bike worked. Where's the damned reset button on these bikes?

                            I solved the oil leak. It seemed to be from the head gasket, but I think that's impossible. It turned out to be the oil feed bolt at the back of the head, which leaked down to the head mating surface and leaked around the front by the #1 exhaust. Tightening that oil feed bolt solved the leak.
                            "Time is the greatest teacher; unfortunately, it kills all of its students."

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                            • #29
                              Carbs

                              Originally posted by LoHo View Post
                              I will take the carbs off and have a look. I eyeballed them before I put them back on, but I've been walking the line between getting them to spec and leaving them as they were when the bike worked. Where's the damned reset button on these bikes?

                              I solved the oil leak. It seemed to be from the head gasket, but I think that's impossible. It turned out to be the oil feed bolt at the back of the head, which leaked down to the head mating surface and leaked around the front by the #1 exhaust. Tightening that oil feed bolt solved the leak.
                              Put the carbs in a window with the sun comming in and adjust the butterflys till no light can get through on any of them, then turn your idle screw till you just see light comming through one and set all to match, as good as a bench sync and proves that all will close completly Must of course sync on the running bike also
                              1979 XS1100 Special (Mad Max, OEM) Current
                              1980 XS1100 Special
                              1990 V Max
                              1982 KZ750 LTD Twin
                              1986 700 FZR Yamaha Fazer (faster then expected)
                              1979 XS750 Special (my 1st Special)
                              1974 CB750-Four



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