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    I'm haven't seen any threads talking about adding positive crankcase ventilation to the conical filters, so here's a crack at it.

    I decided to try out the conical filters, these are the inexpensive ones, but they have a fairly deep lip where they hook up to the carburetors, so they don't block off the holes at the edge of the carbs. One thing I noticed after putting them on was the bike seemed to be a lot more lively than with the stock air box. Unfortunately the crankcase fumes while I was idling was fairly unpleasant, so I decided to try venting the fumes into the carbs like the factory air box does.

    From Auto Zone, I bought a PCV valve, rubber PCV elbow, PCV grommet, 2 - 1/4" tees, and about 3' of 1/4" vacuum hose.

    From Home Depot I bought a 3/4" copper pipe end cap, 4 - 1/4" brass barbs, brass nuts and some washers.

    I drilled two holes in the end of the copper cap, and used some rubber grommets that I had laying around to seal the tees to the end cap. The PVC grommet snapped into the end of the copper cap, and that pretty much completed the bottom end of the system, here' a picture of it installed:


    Then I drilled a hole in the center of each conical filter and added the brass barbs to the filter. I had to use washers to help get the nut to seal down on the barb, but all in all it was fairly straight forward. I then cut the 1/4" vacuum hose to length to hook up all 4 of the filter pods. Here's a couple shots of the filters hooked up:



    It seems to be working fine, and no crankcase smell. If it holds up well I'll be happy. If it doesn't work so well, you'll probably hear about it in a later post.

    Oh, by the way, I added a T shaped support to hold up the back of the carbs. Thanks to one of the other posts I had read here talking about having to support the carbs when you do away with the factory air box. I used the original factory air box mount points to anchor my T-bar support, you can barely see part of the support in pictures 2 & 3 above.

    Thanks to every one for all the prior posts the helped me get this far!
    Guy

    1980 XS1100G - Frankenstein - resurrected from the impound lot
    1991 Suzuki GS500E (not running yet)
    2003 Burgman AN400 - Blue Belle
    2005 Burgman AN400 - Silver Belle

  • #2
    To me that seems like a lot of work just because of the smell.Mine smokes-not a lot and not all the time but perhaps there is another reason it does smoke bad.I have a K & N attached to mine.smokes when the bike is run a lot but not excessive.What color is your smoke?
    1980 XS1100 SG
    Inline fuel filters
    New wires in old coils-outer spark plugs
    160 mph speedometer mod
    Kerker Exhaust
    xschop K & N air filter setup
    Dynojet Recalibration kit
    1999 Kawasaki ZRX1100
    1997 Jeep Cherokee 4.5"lift installed

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    • #3
      impressive work and very creative. Well done work.
      Life is what happens while your planning everything else!

      When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.

      81 XS1100 Special - Humpty Dumpty
      80 XS1100 Special - Project Resurrection


      Previously owned
      93 GSX600F
      80 XS1100 Special - Ruby
      81 XS1100 Special
      81 CB750 C
      80 CB750 C
      78 XS750

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      • #4
        Good idea but the PCV valve is really unnecessary, just the hoses will suffice.
        Greg

        Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

        ― Albert Einstein

        80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

        The list changes.

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        • #5
          I'm not sure of the color, maybe whitish or greyish. It doesn't seem to smoke too much, but it was starting to get to me while I was sitting on the bike waiting for emission testing the first time.

          Since I'll be using the bike mainly for running around town and getting to work and I'll probably be stopped in traffic so I figured it would be worthwhile to do for my riding comfort.

          Originally posted by oldyam80sg View Post
          To me that seems like a lot of work just because of the smell.Mine smokes-not a lot and not all the time but perhaps there is another reason it does smoke bad.I have a K & N attached to mine.smokes when the bike is run a lot but not excessive.What color is your smoke?
          Guy

          1980 XS1100G - Frankenstein - resurrected from the impound lot
          1991 Suzuki GS500E (not running yet)
          2003 Burgman AN400 - Blue Belle
          2005 Burgman AN400 - Silver Belle

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          • #6
            I thought of leaving the PCV valve off, but years ago my dad told me that the PCV valve was an insurance policy in case you got a back fire and you happened to have unburned gas vapors in the crankcase.

            A detonation in the crankcase seems like a pretty low probability, but I'm sure it would ruin your day if it happened.

            I learned the hard way on an old Cadillac that plugging the crankcase vent WILL result in oil leaks .

            Originally posted by BA80 View Post
            Good idea but the PCV valve is really unnecessary, just the hoses will suffice.
            Guy

            1980 XS1100G - Frankenstein - resurrected from the impound lot
            1991 Suzuki GS500E (not running yet)
            2003 Burgman AN400 - Blue Belle
            2005 Burgman AN400 - Silver Belle

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            • #7
              The PCV is designed to be used hooked to manifold vacuum and it takes a specific amount of vacuum to actually open it. There would be no danger of a backfire causing a problem with the vent hoses attached to the air filters like you have them.

              Basically what you have created there is exactly the same setup, except for in a different configuation, as what's in the stock airbox other than the addition of the valve.
              Greg

              Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

              ― Albert Einstein

              80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

              The list changes.

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              • #8
                Does it require all four pods to be hooked up? do you think you would have the same results with only two .. or even one line to the pods??
                79 Cafe

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                • #9
                  I thought about only routing to one, but figured it wouldn't take that much more effort to do all 4.

                  One should be better than none, if you try it and you still get some of the vapors escaping you'll know you need to add a tee...

                  My wife didn't like the smell, and I've got to admit I wasn't too fond if it either. With the PCV valve she'll go on short rides with me, without it I don't think I could have gotten her on the bike.

                  In fact i was stuck in a traffic jam on the freeway and didn't even think about the crankcase venting at all .
                  My right foot was getting hot though, anyone have any ideas about that?



                  Originally posted by h311rasor View Post
                  Does it require all four pods to be hooked up? do you think you would have the same results with only two .. or even one line to the pods??
                  Guy

                  1980 XS1100G - Frankenstein - resurrected from the impound lot
                  1991 Suzuki GS500E (not running yet)
                  2003 Burgman AN400 - Blue Belle
                  2005 Burgman AN400 - Silver Belle

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