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  • CaptonZap
    XS-XJ Guru
    • Jun 2010
    • 1748
    • Denver

    #1

    TCI repair update

    News flash!

    Last night, while surfing the net in search for a source for the transistors used in the 78-80 TCI boxes, I stumbled upon a forum that caters to audiophiles, particularly those that repair their own and other's equipment. (Must be a forum for every conceivable interest. Ya gotta love the Internet!)

    One of the members, in reply to someone asking for a source for the C 458 transistors that I was looking for, and for another few requests from others on that board, put forth the information that those transistors were a product of Hitachi, and were used in a variety of Jap consumer product back then. His experience, along with a number of others on the board, was that after a number of years, they would sporadically fail, and when he encountered them in his repair work, he would replace them all as a preventative measure.
    Anyway, I would now like to ask, beseech, entreat, even BEG you, if you have a TCI that is dead, and you have tried the Davinci fix, espoused by Randy, of re soldering the output pins, without restoring it to life, PLEASE, do not throw it away. It may be fixable.
    PM me, and lets see if there is some way to keep it from going to the dump. There are only so many in existence, and if it is true that the transistors fail, but can be replaced, we can save the remaining ones and keep the sparks in our love affairs for years to come.
    To quote a couple of my hero's, Bartells and James, "Thank you for your support".
    CZ
    Last edited by CaptonZap; 11-26-2012, 10:40 PM.
  • DAVINCI
    XS-XJ Guru
    • Jan 2011
    • 1048
    • Cedar Mountain, NC

    #2
    No need, CZ, that is a 2SC458. Hitachi discontinued it, Here is the data sheet:



    Modern equivalent replacements are available at NTE Electronics for $1.29

    Former owner, but I have NO PARTS LEFT!

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    • BA80
      Doctor of XSology
      • Oct 2010
      • 9980
      • Tulsa, Ok

      #3
      I wish someone would find a replacement for the IC in the tachs and start fixing those. There's a few hundred thousand jumpy or dead tachs out there that need repair.
      Greg

      Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

      ― Albert Einstein

      80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

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      • 650mark
        XStremely XSive
        • Jul 2012
        • 307
        • Mesa, Az.

        #4
        tach fix

        i'll second that. my tach works fine up to about 6,000 then gets jumpy. i'd rather get this one modded to work right than replace it.

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        • DAVINCI
          XS-XJ Guru
          • Jan 2011
          • 1048
          • Cedar Mountain, NC

          #5
          Originally posted by BA80
          I wish someone would find a replacement for the IC in the tachs and start fixing those. There's a few hundred thousand jumpy or dead tachs out there that need repair.
          Greg;

          You got the number of that IC?
          Former owner, but I have NO PARTS LEFT!

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          • CaptonZap
            XS-XJ Guru
            • Jun 2010
            • 1748
            • Denver

            #6
            Originally posted by DAVINCI
            No need, CZ, that is a 2SC458. Hitachi discontinued it, Here is the data sheet:



            Modern equivalent replacements are available at NTE Electronics for $1.29

            http://www.nteinc.com/specs/10to99/pdf/nte85.pdf
            Thanks Randy, that is another "or equivalent". The audio guys were using 2SC2240, 2sc-1775 or 2sc-1815. In this application, I don't think the "noise" factor is anything to worry about, and it seems that there are a number of transistors that will interchange. I have some BC 639's, with the same pinout, and I am going to solder in one of them to replace the bad Q3 on this board. I'll scope it and see if the trace matches the Q13 trace, and if so, I'll button it back up and put it in service. We'll see.

            Also, do you see the 120 ohm, 2 watt resister, on the B input, numbered as resister 24? I don't want to disturb this one, (conformal coating issues) to look under it for the number, and I can't find an R 24 anywhere else on the board.
            Fun and games.

            CZ

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            • BA80
              Doctor of XSology
              • Oct 2010
              • 9980
              • Tulsa, Ok

              #7
              Originally posted by DAVINCI
              Greg;

              You got the number of that IC?
              I have one apart at home. I'll see if I can read the number when I get home Randy.

              Or, I could just send you a circuit board. I have one out.
              Greg

              Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

              ― Albert Einstein

              80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

              The list changes.

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              • DAVINCI
                XS-XJ Guru
                • Jan 2011
                • 1048
                • Cedar Mountain, NC

                #8
                Easier to snap a photo, no?
                Former owner, but I have NO PARTS LEFT!

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                • DAVINCI
                  XS-XJ Guru
                  • Jan 2011
                  • 1048
                  • Cedar Mountain, NC

                  #9
                  Originally posted by CaptonZap

                  Also, do you see the 120 ohm, 2 watt resister, on the B input, numbered as resister 24? I don't want to disturb this one, (conformal coating issues) to look under it for the number, and I can't find an R 24 anywhere else on the board.
                  Fun and games.

                  CZ
                  CZ, I don't understand your question. You know the value, what do you need? And do I see what? Is there a photo somewhere that you're referencing?
                  Former owner, but I have NO PARTS LEFT!

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                  • BA80
                    Doctor of XSology
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 9980
                    • Tulsa, Ok

                    #10
                    Originally posted by DAVINCI
                    Easier to snap a photo, no?
                    If that's what you want.
                    Greg

                    Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                    ― Albert Einstein

                    80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

                    The list changes.

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                    • DAVINCI
                      XS-XJ Guru
                      • Jan 2011
                      • 1048
                      • Cedar Mountain, NC

                      #11
                      Sure, if you can get a clear photo that shows the part # that would be fine.
                      Former owner, but I have NO PARTS LEFT!

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                      • CaptonZap
                        XS-XJ Guru
                        • Jun 2010
                        • 1748
                        • Denver

                        #12
                        Originally posted by DAVINCI
                        CZ, I don't understand your question. You know the value, what do you need? And do I see what? Is there a photo somewhere that you're referencing?
                        Yep, I phrased that wrong.
                        The big ceramic resister that is the first component in line after the B terminal, sets over the board and hides the R number printed on the board. That is what I think. I would like to know if someone has taken that resister off, and if there is an R number printed on the board under it.
                        I was asking, that if you had taken that resister off, did you see that number, R24 , printed under it.
                        "See" being used in the metaphoric sense, not in the literal sense.
                        A better phrasing would be, "Do you think the 120 ohm, 2 watt resister, etc. etc."
                        Basically, I'm trying to find R 24.
                        Sorry for the confusion, CZ

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                        • CaptonZap
                          XS-XJ Guru
                          • Jun 2010
                          • 1748
                          • Denver

                          #13
                          Originally posted by BA80
                          I have one apart at home. I'll see if I can read the number when I get home Randy.

                          Or, I could just send you a circuit board. I have one out.
                          That would be real helpful. I will pay the postage up here, and keep you updated on it's attempted resuscitation.
                          Thanks Greg
                          CZ

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                          • DAVINCI
                            XS-XJ Guru
                            • Jan 2011
                            • 1048
                            • Cedar Mountain, NC

                            #14
                            Originally posted by CaptonZap
                            Yep, I phrased that wrong.
                            The big ceramic resister that is the first component in line after the B terminal, sets over the board and hides the R number printed on the board. That is what I think. I would like to know if someone has taken that resister off, and if there is an R number printed on the board under it.
                            I was asking, that if you had taken that resister off, did you see that number, R24 , printed under it.
                            "See" being used in the metaphoric sense, not in the literal sense.
                            A better phrasing would be, "Do you think the 120 ohm, 2 watt resister, etc. etc."
                            Basically, I'm trying to find R 24.
                            Sorry for the confusion, CZ
                            OK. No, I have not removed one, but I could pop it off one of my donor boards and let you know.
                            Former owner, but I have NO PARTS LEFT!

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                            • BA80
                              Doctor of XSology
                              • Oct 2010
                              • 9980
                              • Tulsa, Ok

                              #15
                              Here ya go Randy. Posted it here so everyone can see what we're talking about.



                              CZ, you need to PM me your address again. I have it somewhere but I don't want to look.
                              Greg

                              Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                              ― Albert Einstein

                              80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

                              The list changes.

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