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  • Rear Brake Issue XS1100H

    Recent purchase of an 81 H and has a seemingly ecsessive amount of travel in the rear brake lever. I changed the rear pads. The old ones were about 50%. I adjusted some of it out, but needs more.

    I am a little concerned that I may run out of adjusting rod. Is there something else that I need to look at? The brake works fine otherwise. I am comparing it to a 79 Special that has new pads, but has not been adjusted and the pedal travel is less (good).

    MP
    1981 XS1100H Venturer
    K&N Air Filter
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    Custom Paint by Deitz
    Geezer Rectifier/Regulator
    Chacal Stainless Steel Braided Brake Lines
    Chrome Front Rotor & Caliper Covers
    Stebel Nautilus Horn
    EBC Front Rotors
    Limie Accent Moves On In 2015

    Mike

  • #2
    Maybe try removing the brake lever and moving it one spline on the shaft, JAT
    2H7 (79) owned since '89
    3H3 owned since '06

    "If it ain't broke, modify it"

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    • #3
      Have you cleaned and bled the brakes? I have had issues like that, where the lever actually rubs on the exhaust because it travels so far down. After problerly bleeding the brakes, the problem goes away. You should be able to see the adjustment rod touch the underside of the MC, and it should have a little free-play before it actually makes contact. Not a lot, but enough that the brake lever is not pressing on the MC plunger at all unless you really want it to.
      1980 XS850SG - Sold
      1981 XS1100LH Midnight Special (Sold) - purchased 9/29/08
      Fully Vetterized and Dynojet Kit added, Heated Grips, Truck-Lite LED headlight, Accel Coils, Irridium plugs, TKAT Fork Brace, XS850LH Final Drive & Black SS Brake lines from Chacal.
      Here's my web page devoted to my bike! XS/XJ User's Manuals there, and the XJ1100 Service Manual and both XS1100 Service manuals (free download!).

      Whether you think you can, or you think you cannot - You're right.
      -H. Ford

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      • #4
        Originally posted by bikerphil View Post
        Maybe try removing the brake lever and moving it one spline on the shaft, JAT
        +1! I fought mine for awhile till it hit me that it really was that simple! I went from nearly all the way out on the adjuster rod (1 or 2 threads left) to nearly all the way in.
        Last edited by natemoen; 09-20-2012, 04:38 PM.
        Nathan
        KD9ARL

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        1978 XS1100E
        K&N Filter
        #45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
        OEM Exhaust
        ATK Fork Brace
        LED Dash lights
        Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters

        Green Monster Coils
        SS Brake Lines
        Vision 550 Auto Tensioner

        In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

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        • #5
          The brake lever has a mark on it, as does the spline shaft. The two should match, and there should be no reason to move them, as long as the system is working properly.
          1980 XS850SG - Sold
          1981 XS1100LH Midnight Special (Sold) - purchased 9/29/08
          Fully Vetterized and Dynojet Kit added, Heated Grips, Truck-Lite LED headlight, Accel Coils, Irridium plugs, TKAT Fork Brace, XS850LH Final Drive & Black SS Brake lines from Chacal.
          Here's my web page devoted to my bike! XS/XJ User's Manuals there, and the XJ1100 Service Manual and both XS1100 Service manuals (free download!).

          Whether you think you can, or you think you cannot - You're right.
          -H. Ford

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          • #6
            Originally posted by CatatonicBug View Post
            The brake lever has a mark on it, as does the spline shaft. The two should match, and there should be no reason to move them, as long as the system is working properly.
            Things get moved over the years, and I don't have any marks on my brakes.
            Nathan
            KD9ARL

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            1978 XS1100E
            K&N Filter
            #45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
            OEM Exhaust
            ATK Fork Brace
            LED Dash lights
            Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters

            Green Monster Coils
            SS Brake Lines
            Vision 550 Auto Tensioner

            In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

            Theodore Roosevelt

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            • #7
              Rear Brake

              I will be at the bike tomorrow and look at the items that you all mention. I have not bled that brake and did not know about the alignment marks. Will look to see if it has been moved and let you know what I find.

              Thanks, MP
              1981 XS1100H Venturer
              K&N Air Filter
              ACCT
              Custom Paint by Deitz
              Geezer Rectifier/Regulator
              Chacal Stainless Steel Braided Brake Lines
              Chrome Front Rotor & Caliper Covers
              Stebel Nautilus Horn
              EBC Front Rotors
              Limie Accent Moves On In 2015

              Mike

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              • #8
                Rear Brake

                Checked the bike out yesterday. The marks were visible and aligned. I reversed the adjustment to approximately where it was to start with. Book says 1/2 inch free travel before rod contacts m/c. I put it a little less than that.

                Bleeding the brake did fix the problem.

                Checked the front brakes which were already working properly, but the fluid was the color of red wine? Had that 30 year old appearance. I bled all of that out of the system through both calipers. Ready to ride!

                Thanks for your help.

                MP
                1981 XS1100H Venturer
                K&N Air Filter
                ACCT
                Custom Paint by Deitz
                Geezer Rectifier/Regulator
                Chacal Stainless Steel Braided Brake Lines
                Chrome Front Rotor & Caliper Covers
                Stebel Nautilus Horn
                EBC Front Rotors
                Limie Accent Moves On In 2015

                Mike

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                • #9
                  1/2'' of free play! That seems way excessive in my mind! I have mine set to about 3/16" at the most. If I want my brakes I want them now!
                  Nathan
                  KD9ARL

                  μολὼν λαβέ

                  1978 XS1100E
                  K&N Filter
                  #45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
                  OEM Exhaust
                  ATK Fork Brace
                  LED Dash lights
                  Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters

                  Green Monster Coils
                  SS Brake Lines
                  Vision 550 Auto Tensioner

                  In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

                  Theodore Roosevelt

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by natemoen View Post
                    1/2'' of free play! That seems way excessive in my mind! I have mine set to about 3/16" at the most. If I want my brakes I want them now!
                    Nate, the 1/2 inch free play is at the end of the brake lever, where your foot is.
                    And it doesn't take many degrees of rotation of the adjusting screw to change that a lot. Plus, as the brakes heat up, the clearance changes, so that the clearance decreases.
                    I'd set it at the factory spec and call it good. CZ

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                    • #11
                      Pedal adjustment diagrams....



                      2H7 (79) owned since '89
                      3H3 owned since '06

                      "If it ain't broke, modify it"

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by bikerphil View Post
                        Pedal adjustment diagrams....



                        Its interesting these came up. Just the other day I adjusted my lever because it was up to high and in contact with the underside of my foot peg. I had to lift my foot from my peg to apply the brake.

                        Now after adjusting it I believe I have the pedal a half inch below my peg and the rear adjuster rod is as short as it goes. I dont think its possible to get the pedal 5/8" or more lower than the peg surface. A half inch of free play seems excessive to me, mine is probable 0.1" or less, its tight. Although now I have to be careful that I dont depress the lever too far and let my boot hit the exhaust heat shield.
                        '79 XS11 F
                        Stock except K&N

                        '79 XS11 SF
                        Stock, no title.

                        '84 Chevy K-10 "Big Blue"
                        GM 350, Muncie SM465, NP208, GM 10 Bolt with 3.42gears turnin 31x10.5 Baja Claws

                        "What they do have is an implacable, unrelenting presence and movement that bespeaks massive power lurking behind paint and chrome. They don't wail like a screeching ninja, the don't rumble like a harley. They just growl like a spactic, stressed out badger waiting to rip your face off and eat your soul." Trainzz~RIP~

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                        • #13
                          Its interesting these came up. Just the other day I adjusted my lever because it was up to high and in contact with the underside of my foot peg. I had to lift my foot from my peg to apply the brake.

                          Now after adjusting it I believe I have the pedal a half inch below my peg and the rear adjuster rod is as short as it goes. I dont think its possible to get the pedal 5/8" or more lower than the peg surface. A half inch of free play seems excessive to me, mine is probable 0.1" or less, its tight. Although now I have to be careful that I dont depress the lever too far and let my boot hit the exhaust heat shield.
                          '79 XS11 F
                          Stock except K&N

                          '79 XS11 SF
                          Stock, no title.

                          '84 Chevy K-10 "Big Blue"
                          GM 350, Muncie SM465, NP208, GM 10 Bolt with 3.42gears turnin 31x10.5 Baja Claws

                          "What they do have is an implacable, unrelenting presence and movement that bespeaks massive power lurking behind paint and chrome. They don't wail like a screeching ninja, the don't rumble like a harley. They just growl like a spactic, stressed out badger waiting to rip your face off and eat your soul." Trainzz~RIP~

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