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    Alright I went out to Northern Tool and picked up another set of feelers to see if I can find one thin enough.
    ARGHHH!
    Why is it that Yama decided that the valve clearance spec is .11 to .15mm when the smallest feeler I can find is .152mm thick.

    So what do you guys (and you few gals) use? and where can I get one?

    I know some of you like to use Inches, but that conversion stuff hurts my brain. The manual has the chart/formula in mm, the shims are in mm and my gauges also read in mm. That makes it simple for me.

    I know I need to reshim, but without having somewhat accurate initial readings, I have no idea how many sizes to go down.
    For example, on 3 of 4 of my intakes I know I'm <.15mm and have 265's in there, so, should I put 260's in there and see where I'm at?
    I haven't researched the local dealers to see if they'll swap out shims yet and don't want to spend a whole lot on shims that might not be the right thickness. Plus I don't want the bike down for more than a weekend.

    Any ideas on why the 78/79 intake specs are bigger?
    Could it be because of the different valve sizes?
    Or is it just a noise issue?
    Could I open my 80s' intakes up to 0.16-0.2mm?

    Duh, I just had an idea. Ask TC if he's got some small feelers. I could swing by his house on a friday, do the shims over the weekend and drop the feelers back off on monday.

    Any of you have ideas on how to get shims out of the buckets?
    Last time I had the cams out to check which shims I have, one of them wouldn't come out of the bucket. It would spin just fine in the bucket, but I couldn't even get a knife blade under it to pry it out. The magnet I had didn't help either. Maybe use some carb cleaner to break up the oil suction that sucker has?

    I know this is a long post, but this is about the only thing on my bike that has sort of been postponed the longest. I've been putting it off too long now (haven't ever reshimmed since I got the bike 8 yrs ago) and I need to get 'er done before it's too late.
    Hi, my name is George & I'm a twisty addict!

    80G (Green paint(PO idea))
    The Green Monster
    K&N A/F, TC's fuse block, '81 oil cooler, TC's homemade 4-2 w/Mac Mufflers, Raptor 660 ACCT
    Got him in '04.
    bald tire & borrowing parts

    80SG (Black w/red emblems & calipers)
    Scarlet
    K&N A/F, TC's fuse block, WJ5, Shoei bags, Raptor 660 ACCT.
    Got her in '11
    Ready for the twisties!

    81H (previously CPMaynard's)
    Hugo
    Full Venturer, Indigo Blue with B/W painted tank.
    Cold weather ride

  • #2
    feelers

    http://www.amazon.com/Metric-Thickne...s=feeler+gauge

    http://www.amazon.com/25025-26-Blade...bxgy_hi_text_b

    $3.99 isnt a bad price

    john
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    • #3
      Thanks John for helping me pull my head out of my baskside.
      I just called harbor frieght and they've got one for 2.99!
      32 piece SAE/Metric that goes all the way down to .0015" (that's <.05mm)
      Why didn't I do this sooner.!
      Hi, my name is George & I'm a twisty addict!

      80G (Green paint(PO idea))
      The Green Monster
      K&N A/F, TC's fuse block, '81 oil cooler, TC's homemade 4-2 w/Mac Mufflers, Raptor 660 ACCT
      Got him in '04.
      bald tire & borrowing parts

      80SG (Black w/red emblems & calipers)
      Scarlet
      K&N A/F, TC's fuse block, WJ5, Shoei bags, Raptor 660 ACCT.
      Got her in '11
      Ready for the twisties!

      81H (previously CPMaynard's)
      Hugo
      Full Venturer, Indigo Blue with B/W painted tank.
      Cold weather ride

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      • #4
        Here's the ones I like.... http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item....re&dir=catalog

        A few more bucks, but I love the 'go/no go' feature...
        Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

        '78E original owner - resto project
        '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
        '82 XJ rebuild project
        '80SG restified, red SOLD
        '79F parts...
        '81H more parts...

        Other current bikes:
        '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
        '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
        '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
        Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
        Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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        • #5
          Steve, so the step up feature on those is the next size up?
          That's cool and useful and saves a llittle bit of time too.
          The smallest size on those is .01mm too.

          Maybe add to the tool tech list is to have a set of feeler gauges that has some that are small enough.
          Hi, my name is George & I'm a twisty addict!

          80G (Green paint(PO idea))
          The Green Monster
          K&N A/F, TC's fuse block, '81 oil cooler, TC's homemade 4-2 w/Mac Mufflers, Raptor 660 ACCT
          Got him in '04.
          bald tire & borrowing parts

          80SG (Black w/red emblems & calipers)
          Scarlet
          K&N A/F, TC's fuse block, WJ5, Shoei bags, Raptor 660 ACCT.
          Got her in '11
          Ready for the twisties!

          81H (previously CPMaynard's)
          Hugo
          Full Venturer, Indigo Blue with B/W painted tank.
          Cold weather ride

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          • #6
            Having a set that will go below .004" is of limited usefulness IMO. Once you go below that, you know you're going to need to change shims, and the minimum clearance you'll usually find is about .0015". Once they get this tight, you'll start loosing compression and the bike will run poorly. So you know you need to change at least one size just to get to .004", worst case you might have to do it twice if it's below .002". They won't get to zero as you'll have a dead cylinder before that happens.

            The thing I like about these is the .002" 'step' on each feeler is the adjustment range you need; if checking the exhaust for example, if the .008" part of the gauge goes in but the .010" part won't, you know you're within the proper .008" to .010" clearance.

            And I find using inches far easier; all you need to remember is each shim size change is .002" (ok, it's .001968", but who's going to quibble over a few hundred-thousandths..), the same as the 'step' in the feelers and the allowable adjustment range. So if you check for .008-.010" and that size feeler won't fit, try the .006-.008" feeler; if the .006" part won't go, go down again, but if it does fit you know your clearance is more than .006" so changing one shim size thinner will increase the clearance to over .008", back in 'range'.
            Last edited by crazy steve; 06-19-2012, 12:27 PM.
            Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

            '78E original owner - resto project
            '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
            '82 XJ rebuild project
            '80SG restified, red SOLD
            '79F parts...
            '81H more parts...

            Other current bikes:
            '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
            '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
            '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
            Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
            Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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            • #7
              I Guess I'm Slow

              Steve, That was a great explaination! With it that simple you dont need tables, conversions, nothing! I did my calculations yesterday - the haed way!

              BTW - I had your tech tip valve adjustment open on the workbench the whole time and wouldn't have had a clue without it but your information above would be great there as well.

              GLoweVA - I had 2 shims that would NOT come out either, I ended up pulling up on the bucket and the whole bucket came out - then on the workbench I could "persuade" them out.
              Last edited by XS11UFO; 06-19-2012, 04:31 PM.
              Scott
              1979 XS1100F
              1978 R100S BMW

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              • #8
                A Tech Tip?

                Maybe I'll write up a fuller explanation of this method and post it to the tech tips. I've never liked that 'shim chart', there's just too many ways that can go wrong....
                Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

                '78E original owner - resto project
                '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
                '82 XJ rebuild project
                '80SG restified, red SOLD
                '79F parts...
                '81H more parts...

                Other current bikes:
                '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
                '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
                '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
                Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
                Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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                • #9
                  I just measured my clearances with the metric gauges last night and did the math on paper... I dont see how it can be any easier unless if someone else did it for me. No conversion involved and once I have my clearances numbers I can chose the closest shim (in increments of 0.05mm) that get be back into the optimum range.
                  '79 XS11 F
                  Stock except K&N

                  '79 XS11 SF
                  Stock, no title.

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