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    I was going throught the tech tips (going to try to clear a few more out of the 'tips under construction' mods forum) and realized that there's really very little brake info in the tech forums, particularly with pictures. So, seeing how I'm currently thrashing on the brakes for my XJ, I thought I'd document that and some 'spare parts' (not really spare, for other project bikes!) and post some tech tips. Some will seem like no-brainers to long-time members, some have been posted in bits here and there, some have been posted but no pics. So without further ado, here's the first one...

    Checking/replacing brake brake pads can be a regular item if you ride a lot, or maybe you just got a 'project' bike and need to see what you have. For detailed info on actually removing/replacing the pads, refer to your service manual. Here's some details the manual doesn't cover or cover well.



    Here's the three pad types you'll run into on the XS/XJ bikes. Left to right, you have all standards (F&R) and Special rear (except LH), Special front (except LH) and LH/XJ rear, and LH/XJ front. The standard and LH/XJ front pads still have the factory shims. Note the 'bumps' on the Special pads; these pads don't fit flush in the caliper, but ride on these bumps and don't use shims. The bumps allow the pads to 'roll' a bit, allowing for slight misalignment of the caliper.

    The shims are usually missing, don't be concerned it they are. Note that the shims are directional; these are supposed to be installed against the caliper piston if present. The shims are no longer available but if you would like to make some, the original material is .015" stainless steel.



    Yes, this taper is normal! This Special front and LH/XJ rear set is near new; if they're worn, the taper will be less. These pads are side specific; there's a left and right side. Looking from the end with the hole for the retaining pin, this is a right side set; the left side will be tapered opposite. The two 'tabs' you see in the middle of the backing plates are the wear indicators; if these get close to or touch the rotor, time to replace.

    For all standard or LH/XJ front pads, if these wear to 1/16" anywhere, time to replace, and these aren't side specific. You can simply look at the LH/XJ front pads, but the standards and Special rears require you to open the 'inspection window' on the caliper...



    The 'window' isn't installed here, but will be a small plastic bit snapped in with a cover that lifts.



    Also make sure that the 'retainers' are in place. These are stainless steel clips attached to the caliper mounts on the 'standard' brakes (not shown)
    and the LH/XJ fronts. These are where the pads actually transmit the braking force to the mounts and if they're missing the pads can wear grooves in the aluminum mounts. This is a particular problem with the Special fronts and LH/XJ rear pads, as these seem to go missing the most. The one shown on the LH/XJ rear mount in the pic was hand-fabricated as these are no longer available.



    This is why this is a problem; without the retainer, the pads will wear these grooves as seen (these aren't too bad... yet) and when you replace the new pads will want to fall into these grooves. This can cause uneven pad wear and dragging brakes.



    This is what the 'Special' retainers are supposed to look like. The black on the back is two-sided tape to help retain them.

    One last item; when replacing pads, you'll need to push the caliper piston back in. If the piston doesn't go in fairly easily, you need to rebuild the calipers! If a c-clamp with a lot of pressure is what it takes, stop there! Corrosion, rusted pistons are the main reasons they won't push in, and you may be risking more damage by forcing it.

    Any comments or questions welcomed!
    Last edited by crazy steve; 06-19-2012, 10:17 AM.
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  • #2
    Just a side note, something I've experienced that you should be aware of... before compressing the caliper piston check your master cylinder fluid level and remove some if necessary. If the m/c is full there may not be any room for the extra fluid to go when you force the piston back into the caliper body and you could damage the m/c and or seals by over pressurizing it.

    If your like me and flushed/topped off the fluid when the pads had little life left in them then you could run into this problem.

    Nice tip Steve
    Last edited by WMarshy; 06-19-2012, 12:47 AM.
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    • #3
      Pretty good and simple.

      Spelling mistake. Paragraph after the 4th pic you have xk instead of XJ. Apparently you are thinking too much about your jag...
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      • #4
        My contribution to agreat topic

        About the tapered pads (in the middle of the top picture) for the specials, it is a good move that every time you remove the caliper to service these pads you replace the long center bolt. They are prone to slightly bend at the threads the first time you set the brakes and are nearly impossible to re-install and get the caliper to align up right again.
        Mike Giroir
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        • #5
          Originally posted by TADracer View Post
          About the tapered pads (in the middle of the top picture) for the specials, it is a good move that every time you remove the caliper to service these pads you replace the long center bolt. They are prone to slightly bend at the threads the first time you set the brakes and are nearly impossible to re-install and get the caliper to align up right again.
          That's why I posted this tip... http://www.xs11.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37179

          I'll agree, that bolt being bent will cause all sorts of problems...
          Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

          '78E original owner - resto project
          '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
          '82 XJ rebuild project
          '80SG restified, red SOLD
          '79F parts...
          '81H more parts...

          Other current bikes:
          '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
          '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
          '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
          Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
          Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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