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  • Front Master Cylinder swap observations

    A while back I de-linked the brakes on my XJ and without trying it deemed my XJ front Master Cylinder unfit for the task of driving the 2 front calipers which I believe have 38mm pistons. After looking around I bought an 82 Virago XV920 front M/C as that bike has un-linked brakes and the front has dual calipers stock. I installed the 920 M/C on the XJ and it worked great! I might be wrong but I think the XJ M/C is 1/2" bore and the XV M/C is 9/16" bore.

    Fast forward to me buying the XS. This one came with an aftermarket front M/C without a brake light switch. This is a deal breaker for me. I have installed different handlebars and and thought what I really need is sloped resovoir M/C or another XV M/C but I didn't want to drop another $100. I looked at my old XJ M/C and thought why not, can't hurt.

    I installed the original XJ M/C on the XS and it really didn't work well. The M/C required a full travel pull to apply braking action that was really not up to the job. I got to thinking that the XS has 45mm front pistins and the XJ has 38mm pistons so I wondered what would happen if I swapped the 2 M/C between the 2 bikes?

    As of yesterday I have the original XJ Master Cylinder back on the XJ with de-linked brakes driving 2 38mm pistons. Somewhere between 1/2 and 2/3 pull results in a near lock condition on the front brakes!

    The XS is now sporting the XV920 Master Cylinder (originally intended for dual discs) driving the 2 45mm pistons. Somewhere between 1/2 and 2/3 pull results in a near lock condition on the front brakes!

    With the theoretical $100 I saved I bought an XJ clutch perch so that my XS mirrors will point at the same direction as they are quite different between the XS and XJ mounts

    It would seem to me that the biggest challenge with the XS front brakes is the dia of the pistons. I noticed all the newer bikes use much smaller, multi piston calipers. I can also note that I have become really good at using the vacuum bleeder.
    John
    1970? Honda Z50... gone
    1974? Yamaha 100 Enduro... gone
    1974 Honda CB200... gone
    1981 Yamaha Virago 750... gone
    1993 Honda Shadow 1100... gone
    2008 Honda VTX 1800F
    1982 Yamaha XJ1100J w/850 final, Raptor ACCT
    1979 Yamaha XS1100SF "Chewey" Raptor ACCT

    http://www.johnsoldiron.com

  • #2
    my m/c on my xs750 was bad so i put the one off of my xv920 and it works great. It also has a screw type piston while the xs750 didnt.
    Jeff
    77 XS750 2D completely stock
    79 SF XS1100 "Picky" stock with harley mufflers

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    • #3
      Hey John,

      Back in my ignorant earlier days....circa 2000 when I was doing my resurrection of my 81SH... my front MC was shot, and I didn't want to bother trying to repair it, so I went to the local bike breakers and got a front MC that apparently came off of an XJ, solid body with glass window on front, but was designed to drive 1 caliper! With the OEM vinyl lines, I experienced what you did, lever to the bar/grip! But once I put on Stainless Steel lines, it worked fairly well, about 2/3's pull but I had brakes!

      Recently when I did my Special front caliper MOD/SWAP I first wondered about the amount of fluid required to drive the dual pistons vs. the single.

      Specs:

      OEM 45mm piston = 1590 sq. mm

      FZR pistons: 30 and 34mm

      30mm = 707 sq. mm
      34mm = 907 sq. mm
      Total:= 1614 sq. mm, so just 24 sq. mm's more area than the OEM pistons, I think I remember calculating it out to be only ~ 1.5% increase vs. the OEM pistons....so the XJ MC shouldn't have had any problems driving the new calipers, and after the pads have worn in, it does indeed drive them very well, I have nice firm brakes with about 1/2 lever pull!

      T.C.
      T. C. Gresham
      81SH "Godzilla" . . .1179cc super-rat.
      79SF "The Teacher" . . .basket case!
      History shows again and again,
      How nature points out the folly of men!

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