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  • 79 XS1100 Special Vacuum Advance Issues?

    Thanks in advance for any help or advice.

    I have a 79 XS1100 Special and it is having some problems. When I am accelerating out of a lower RPM situation such as 35-40 in 5th gear the bike will start to spit, sputter, pop and it seems to miss to the point where I have little to no acceleration.

    If I downshift into 4th I will have some acceleration but the problem will persist. I have found that I can temporarily solve this problem by pulling in the clutch and shifting to other gears to release the clutch only until I feel it start to engage, re-shift into an appropriate gear for my speed and then the bike will pull out of the fit and run normally. I can tell before shifting back to an appropriate gear if it is running right by pulling back the throttle and hearing the engine rev. The problem is only slightly noticeable with the clutch pulled and no load during a fit and will only pop and sputter when the clutch is released and the bike has a load in gear.

    This problem can happen in any gear, not just 5th but never neutral. Alot of the time it appears in 3rd but I believe that is because I have the 2nd gear problem so it is normal for me to start at a lower speed for 3rd because of having to skip 2nd.

    I have just had the carbs cleaned and synched by a professional and the bike seems to be running excellent until it goes into a fit.

    I believe my problem may be the vacuum or mechanical advance. Or possibly the pickup coil I suppose? I would appreciate any advice on how to test these things before I try to replace them. As you all know they are hard to find parts and are priced higher than gold.

    I unhooked the vacuum hose coming from the advance unit and plugged the carb intake that I pulled it from and took it for a ride today and for the first time it seemed to ride well for about 100 miles and then the problem came back seemingly worse.

    I hooked the vacuum line back to the carb, took it back out and the problem was still happened intermittently and still seemingly worse.

    I would like to think that maybe the 100 miles of good running was a coincidence but for the last month of last years motorcycle season, and the last two weeks since I got the bike back from the mechanic, I couldn't drive it more than a couple blocks without the problem happening.

    The problem started before the mechanic touched it, and still persists after. When it runs good, it runs great...excellent acceleration, no popping or backfiring ever, smooth idle.

    I have tested for spark, compression, air leaks in the intake boots. I read that if you put your petcock on PRIME then essentially you bypass the octy. I am not entirely sure that is true but I tried that and still the problem persists. I have rode with my gas tank open, still the problem persists.

    What would you expect the bike to run like with the vacuum line coming from the advance unit unhooked and "hanging" while you plug the carb hole it came out of to prevent air leaks?

    Sorry for making this so long, I wanted to be thorough.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated,
    Mike
    79 SF

  • #2
    http://www.xs11.com/forum/showthread.php?t=543

    That's the fix for broken pickup coil wires; I'm sure that's your problem...
    Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

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    • #3
      info

      I had some trouble locating the vacuum advance unit part# 3h5-81683-09-00

      Thought I would share the only place I was able to find one with everybody:
      http://216.168.60.165/speedandsportinc/index.tpl


      They have some other hard to find parts too but they are very expensive. Any advice on finding that part or these cheaper: 2H7-81653-10-00 , 2H7-81676-10-00

      ?
      79 SF

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      • #4
        Thanks Steve!

        I will try to look into that tomorrow. Can I ask though, if that is my problem, why does it only happen in the low RPM acceleration phase?
        79 SF

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        • #5
          The backing plate with the coils on it move in response to engine vacuum, and the flexing over time breaks the wires (very typical problem). Where/when it happens can be different for every bike, depending on the break and which wire(s) it is. But where you'll usually see it is when you change throttle position under load (which changes the vacuum). Steady-state throttle, the plate doesn't move (or as much) so the wire doesn't separate...

          Don't feel bad; my '78 did this while still under warranty and the dealer couldn't find the problem....
          Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

          '78E original owner - resto project
          '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
          '82 XJ rebuild project
          '80SG restified, red SOLD
          '79F parts...
          '81H more parts...

          Other current bikes:
          '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
          '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
          '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
          Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
          Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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          • #6
            I see. That makes sense.

            While I am inside of that cover should I lube the mechanical advance or do any other maintenance? If so lube it with what?
            79 SF

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            • #7
              Make sure everything moves freely. These don't seem to need lubing normally, if you really feel the need, a few drops of light synthetic (like 0W20 or 5W30) will work. I suggest synthetic because it won't break down nearly as easily as conventional oil in this application... a trick I learned from my Jaguars...
              Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

              '78E original owner - resto project
              '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
              '82 XJ rebuild project
              '80SG restified, red SOLD
              '79F parts...
              '81H more parts...

              Other current bikes:
              '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
              '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
              '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
              Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
              Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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              • #8
                Thanks so much for your advice. You were right on. The 2 "longer" wires were both broken. I replaced about a 3" section of each. So far so good! Ran great after, right up until it rained. I am pretty sure I need new wires or coils now too. As soon as I let it dry out and ran it again it was excellent.

                I would have never thought to check those. I can't even begin to express my gratitude!
                79 SF

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                • #9
                  The wires for the pickups inside the sheathing are more than likely getting wet and shorting. Thats pretty common.

                  Make sure the wires are sealed up and staying dry.
                  Greg

                  Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                  ― Albert Einstein

                  80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

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                  • #10
                    It has had this problem before I re-wired. I do realize it could have still been that then though.
                    79 SF

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Motorbike_Mike View Post
                      It has had this problem before I re-wired. I do realize it could have still been that then though.
                      There is a spot about 6-8" down in the loom where the super flexible wires splice into a normal auto wire. They used some less than perfect sealing methods. If that got wet, there is the problem.
                      Nathan
                      KD9ARL

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                      • #12
                        "There is a spot about 6-8" down in the loom"?

                        What is the loom?

                        Are you talking about the pulser coil wires?
                        79 SF

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                        • #13
                          It comes out the bottom of the left engine cover and runs along the inside off the left frame rail. Under the engine, the neutral light switch wire is in the same loom.
                          Greg

                          Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                          ― Albert Einstein

                          80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

                          The list changes.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Motorbike_Mike View Post
                            - - - What is the loom? - - -
                            Hi Mike,
                            LOOM/WIRING LOOM:- A group of seperate wires inside a shared cover.
                            2 or more looms make a harness.
                            Fred Hill, S'toon
                            XS11SG with Spirit of America sidecar
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