Soo close..only if u didnt need a clutch!!!

[Rasputin]

The only thing that comes to mind about self shifting would be the torsion spring that is covered in http://www.xs11.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2785
I am a little suspect about the description as it may be as DGXSER says. If there is any possibility of a vid being posted that would show us what is happening.

[xxtremexs]

Well a little more detail that i have would be...it def feels like its upshifting...can feel the power diff in the gears...and cant get it to shift back down while running..have to shut off and fiddle with it..roll it back and forth to find neutral again...the spring sounds like a solid possibility...is there that much of an adj in the clutch too cause this?...like out 180 or something like that..i still have a drip out of number 1 so have to pull the bank again...also double check float height...sounds like fuel starvation...could the jets be that far off...i have 4 into 1 and pods...and lastly what position on the petcock bypasses the octy to see if that makes a diff...thanks again for your knowledge...i will provide some pics.as soon as possible...last thought was i lowered the bike a bit...cut 4 rings out of back shocks...not drastic but noticeable..could that have messed with alignment of something..to make it shift like that...i like the spring idea though...sounds logical

[xxtremexs]

the pics are great..but thats the foot shift side right?..so left side while sitting on it..not the clutch....and how easy will it be too see the spring?...ne parts gonna spring apart when taking apart , i should know about before ?

[JeffH]

Identify the Problem

Well a little more detail that i have would be...it def feels like its upshifting...can feel the power diff in the gears...and cant get it to shift back down while running..have to shut off and fiddle with it..roll it back and forth to find neutral again...the spring sounds like a solid possibility...is there that much of an adj in the clutch too cause this?...like out 180 or something like that..i still have a drip out of number 1 so have to pull the bank again...also double check float height...sounds like fuel starvation...could the jets be that far off...i have 4 into 1 and pods...and lastly what position on the petcock bypasses the octy to see if that makes a diff...thanks again for your knowledge...i will provide some pics.as soon as possible...last thought was i lowered the bike a bit...cut 4 rings out of back shocks...not drastic but noticeable..could that have messed with alignment of something..to make it shift like that...i like the spring idea though...sounds logical

Like Rasputin, DGXSER & BA80 indicated: Pics or Vid would help when you can post something. It sounds like you are in better shape than a couple weeks ago but still unable to ride this beast!

Is this information you gave us from an Test Ride at 80mph on I-90 / NYS Thruway to Buffalo or has the bike actually not gotten past your neighbors house before something broke?? There is quite a spread between "Runs at 50 mph but has issues" compared with "Never been over 10mph". Let's try and break this down into some bite-size chunks:

1st - Does it Start and Idle pretty well and just run bad under a load -or- is it just barely running?? It would seem jetting for 4-to-1 would be a refinement, not the main cause of the problems if it barely runs. If carb ports and pathways are 100% clean then Needle & Seat or Float or Diaphragm might be the next place to look more carefully. Problem is suggesting a Cure when we don't know the exact Symptoms.

2nd - Do you now have pressure on the Clutch level when you pull in the Clutch lever?? If Yes, then with the motor running what happens when you put it into first. Clunk, Crash, Jump, Nothing?? With motor running and clutch lever pulled in can you shift from Neutral to 1st then back to neutral and then 2nd?? I'm still suspect of the Clutch Rebuild.

3rd - "feel like upshifting" At what speeds / rpm does this happen?? Any noises when this event occurs?? What gear are you in when this happens?? Like 8 mph in first then it feels like it goes to 2nd? Or at 30 mph in 2nd and it feels like it shifts 3rd, 4th, 5th and engine lugs as rpms drop?

As far as fuel drips out of #1 is the gasket OK or is the fuel level so high that fuel is running into the pod air filter? I'm not sure the relationship of lowering the back 4 spring coil turns vs the sensitivity of the fuel in the bowls not being level. Maybe an expert has some ideas on that. As for the "feels like fuel starvation" is that occurring at 30mph under load at a higher rpm or just when trying to accelerate down the driveway?

Getting a bit more info about the operating conditions when the problem occurs will be helpful in chasing down a remedy. Like: RPM, What gear, Speed etc. plus description of the clunk, grind, pop that you are hearing. Suggest starting by providing this info then let's see where it leads you so you can ride this thing!

Jeff

[DGXSER]

So we now have a few problems, not just one.

i still have a drip out of number 1 so have to pull the bank again...also double check float height...sounds like fuel starvation...could the jets be that far off...i have 4 into 1 and pods...

The fuel issue you seem to have a handle on, leaking float valve for one reason or another. Sounds like flooding out not fuel starvation if fuel is running out the carb mouth. Jetting will not have anything to do with fuel running out the carb.

With 4-1 and POD filters you probably (no such thing as an absolute) need one or two steps higher on both Mains and Pilot jets. Do check float height while you have them out, but you probably will not need to adjust float height from stock setting.

it def feels like its upshifting...can feel the power diff in the gears...and cant get it to shift back down while running..have to shut off and fiddle with it..roll it back and forth to find neutral again..

So as your fiddling do you definitely feel it downshift more than one gear? Like it is definitely up in third or fourth from first without you ever touching the shift lever?

is there that much of an adj in the clutch too cause this?...like out 180 or something like that..

No, the clutch can be put into position in any degree of rotation. The lever the cable attaches to could not go on wrong and still get the cable on it. So I do not see how the clutch itself could cause the shifting.

As I stated before, there is a spring loaded spiral cut rod that goes into the engine case and pops into detents on the shift drum for each shift. If that rod is missing, broken, spring is done or missing, then, perhaps the shift drum could just roll around to whatever gear. But even then, I would not suspect it to rock up two or three gears.

lastly what position on the petcock bypasses the octy to see if that makes a diff...

PRIME is the bypass for the OCTY on stock petcocks.

last thought was i lowered the bike a bit...cut 4 rings out of back shocks...not drastic but noticeable..could that have messed with alignment of something..to make it shift like that...

After being in the world of mechanical systems for over 20 years I have learned never to say something would never happen, but I would not see how the spring cutting would possibly cause the bike to shift eratically like that.

[xxtremexs]

The test rides were on my st...not over 20...25mph...first to put in gear kinda slams in...kinda tough grind slam...shifting starts at like 10..and up...weird..feels like more than two ..don't think it's skipping back and forth doesn't sound it atleast..pulled side cover tonight..torsion spring was good nOt sure if was in right pos when took off..kinda pulled out all at once ...carbs must be height or Oring on the emulsin tube..looked ok..but...no other choice...bike has run for ten to 15 min..but think its cause I can never put much gas in it..cause the carbs...idles fine sometimes...for like five min.gas press again...?..have to get new gasket after tonight so I'm down for a couple days.till I get replacement ...then thank god Vak to obx for a week to unwind...double x everything on clutch side and it was seated and tight...1/4 out from all way on adj screw..Nightbagain guys..thanks for entertaining my babble...what a project

[BA80]

It's kinda sounding more and more like bad dogs in the tranny kicking it out of one gear hard enough for it to hit the next.

[natemoen]

PLEASE use complete words and not teenage text shorthand! It gets real jumbled when you don't use full words or a reasonable sentence structure.

I agree it sounds more like the gear problem.

[DGXSER]

PLEASE use complete words and not teenage text shorthand! It gets real jumbled when you don't use full words or a reasonable sentence structure.

I agree it sounds more like the gear problem.

Geeze Nate, I had no problem figuring it out. But then, I have two teenagers. I have to speek the language to survive!

[xxtremexs]

no problem..i can do that...wondering if you guys think its worth wild for me to take clutch apart and check that before going into the tranny?

[xxtremexs]

im gonna upload pic of shift side that i took off last night..see what you fellas think..i don't wanna go any farther than i need to...thought about giving up but not yet...still wanna ride it too bad

[xxtremexs]

Also was doing some additional research and came across another possibility...little metal balls in clutch adj case..?..says it could cause a stuck clutch..maybe that's what im feeling when i start out and it keeps shifting up gears...has me wondering now...

[DGXSER]

I gotta say I am stuck as to how it actually is shifting gears on its own. I could see it not shifting when you want it to, but to shift without your effort on the shift lever goes against physics. An object at rest tends to stay at rest unless acted upon by another force. Yes there are plenty o forces going on in the engine, but none want to make the gears on those shafts move. The only thing making the gears shift is the shift drum turning, the sift lever moves it normally.

The clutch itself would not make it shift. The only thing the clutch does is either engage the engine to the transmission or disengage them. The crankshaft turns, and it has a gear the Hyvo chain rides on and the Hyvo turns the primary shaft of the transmission, and the gear on it that meshes with the gear on the outer basket of the clutch. All the friction disc have tabs/teeth that engage with the outer basket of the clutch. When the springs apply pressure the friction pads grab the metal disc and turn them which have tabs that engage the inner basket. The inner basket is aplined to the main gear shaft of the transmission. So when friction is applied, the engine turns the main shaft. Nothing to make the gears shift positions.

[xxtremexs]

Have you heard of the stuck clutch?..little balls messed up under clutch cover? Read that in manual...still wouldn't affect the gears?

[natemoen]

Have you heard of the stuck clutch?..little balls messed up under clutch cover? Read that in manual...still wouldn't affect the gears?

Even if the clutch was stuck it still wouldn't shift on its own.