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  • jetmechmarty
    Master of XSology
    • Nov 2003
    • 7761
    • Coldwater, Mississippi

    #46
    Well, I know the floats are all at an identical setting. So, if I check one, they should all be the same. That is assuming those 30 something year old plastic floats still float the same. If what you folks are telling me is true, I expect to have to change the float level.
    Marty (in Mississippi)
    XS1100SG
    XS650SK
    XS650SH
    XS650G
    XS6502F
    XS650E

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    • bikerphil
      Master of XSology
      • Jan 2008
      • 8629
      • South Flori-DUH

      #47
      Marty, after rejetting, I would re-check the float level and also open up the mixture screws another 1/2 turn or so and go from there. If it is running super lean, you will know for sure just by the feel of the engine, it wont pull as hard, it will shake more, it will just feel overall thin. My guess would be it isn't getting enough fuel at lower rpm (mixture screws too far in) which will whiten the plugs pretty quick. my 2¢.
      2H7 (79) owned since '89
      3H3 owned since '06

      "If it ain't broke, modify it"

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      • skids
        XS-XJ Super Guru
        • Jul 2002
        • 5044
        • Florissant, CO, USA

        #48
        Originally posted by bikerphil
        Marty, after rejetting, I would re-check the float level and also open up the mixture screws another 1/2 turn or so and go from there.
        That is true for idle rpms and up to the transition (ie, 3000 rpms or so). There is some guidance out there for CV carbs that says to tune to the high rpms and make compensations for the lower rpms after that...
        Skids (Sid Hansen)

        Down to one 1978 E. Stock air box with K&N filter, 81H pipes and carbs, 8500 feet elevation.

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        • Rasputin
          XS-XJ Super Guru
          • Apr 2008
          • 3179
          • Lacombe, Alberta, Canada

          #49
          I think this may be the tuning guide Skids was referring to.
          2-79 XS1100 SF
          2-78 XS1100 E Best bike Ever
          80 XS 1100 SG Big bore kit but not fully running yet.
          Couple of more parts bikes of which 2 more will live!

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          • jetmechmarty
            Master of XSology
            • Nov 2003
            • 7761
            • Coldwater, Mississippi

            #50
            Originally posted by Rasputin
            I think this may be the tuning guide Skids was referring to.
            http://www.factorypro.com/tech/carbt...m_engines.html
            That's interesting. I can definitely tell that I'm too rich in the mains as I have given up power. I'll put it back to the 110-120-120-110 that was working well, or maybe 115 across as many of you suggest.

            As I recall, (I haven't seen my bike for 2 weeks) I have no issues on the bottom end. I turn the throttle and it pulls hard without a stumble.

            The white plugs confound me. I will start by looking at the fuel level in the bowls when I get home.

            One symtom that I do have is a lot of popping on deceleration. It seems to have quieted down a little when I opened the mixture screws 1/2 turn.

            I don't know if it matters, but I have the stock airbox in place and 4 into 1 exhaust.

            Thank you for that link.
            Marty (in Mississippi)
            XS1100SG
            XS650SK
            XS650SH
            XS650G
            XS6502F
            XS650E

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            • jetmechmarty
              Master of XSology
              • Nov 2003
              • 7761
              • Coldwater, Mississippi

              #51
              JAT. Chould this condition have anything to do with my exhaust not providing enough back pressure? There certainly isn't much restriction in that thing.
              Marty (in Mississippi)
              XS1100SG
              XS650SK
              XS650SH
              XS650G
              XS6502F
              XS650E

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              • petejw
                XS-XJ Guru
                • May 2005
                • 2269
                • sydney australia

                #52
                Originally posted by jetmechmarty
                JAT. Chould this condition have anything to do with my exhaust not providing enough back pressure? There certainly isn't much restriction in that thing.
                it could, would also explain the popping on decel,
                id still change the main jets to 115, check ur float
                levels and as phil stated adj the mixture screws.
                pete


                new owner of
                08 gen2 hayabusa


                former owner
                1981 xs1100 RH (aus) (5N5)
                zrx carbs
                18mm float height
                145 main jets
                38 pilots
                slide needle shimmed .5mm washer
                fitted with v/stax and uni pod filters

                [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pA8dwxmAVA&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/url]

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                • skids
                  XS-XJ Super Guru
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 5044
                  • Florissant, CO, USA

                  #53
                  With 4-1 exhaust, a slight popping on decel is what I would call "normal." You try to get rid of that and you screw-up everything else that is good! At least that is my story and I am sticking to it!
                  Skids (Sid Hansen)

                  Down to one 1978 E. Stock air box with K&N filter, 81H pipes and carbs, 8500 feet elevation.

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                  • jetmechmarty
                    Master of XSology
                    • Nov 2003
                    • 7761
                    • Coldwater, Mississippi

                    #54
                    Originally posted by skids
                    With 4-1 exhaust, a slight popping on decel is what I would call "normal." You try to get rid of that and you screw-up everything else that is good! At least that is my story and I am sticking to it!
                    I never worried about it. I worry about white plugs.
                    Marty (in Mississippi)
                    XS1100SG
                    XS650SK
                    XS650SH
                    XS650G
                    XS6502F
                    XS650E

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                    • motoman
                      Master of XSology
                      • Aug 2005
                      • 8413
                      • Grand Junction, Colorado

                      #55
                      Those viton needles may look good, but replacing them will get you even fuel levels across the board. Iknow you don't have the convenience of the bleeder drains like on the 81carbs to check ACTUAL fuel levels when bike is running, but having the spring loaded needle will allow a float to come up, compressing spring more till it seats tight enough to shut off fuel flow. The actual fuel levels in my Venturers fuel bowls were all over the place, never the four carbs being the same, and different levels at different times. This has went on for three+ yrs. now. Finially, couple weeks ago replaced the float needles ONLY. All fuel levels in all carbs are the same, and runs like a total different bike. This was the only time I chose to not use Genuine Mikuni. The OEM cost was $100! Went with the K&L needles, re-set floats and checked that running fuel levels were the same across all four carbs. BTW, 110main jets IS stock on your SG if it still has the original carbs, but with 4into1's, IMO, 112.5's outside cyls/115's inside cyls. Actual fuel level will change approx. 2mm for every 1mm of float level change. You stated that you know ALL floats set the same, but unless those viton float needles are new, you'll find that all four ACTUAL fuel levels are not the same.......BTDT....
                      Last edited by motoman; 05-07-2012, 02:58 PM.
                      81H Venturer1100 "The Bentley" (on steroids) 97 Yamaha YZ250(age reducer) 92 Honda ST1100 "Twisty"(touring rocket) Age is relative to the number of seconds counted 'airing' out an 85ft. table-top.

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                      • skids
                        XS-XJ Super Guru
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 5044
                        • Florissant, CO, USA

                        #56
                        Originally posted by jetmechmarty
                        I never worried about it. I worry about white plugs.
                        Point taken.
                        Skids (Sid Hansen)

                        Down to one 1978 E. Stock air box with K&N filter, 81H pipes and carbs, 8500 feet elevation.

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                        • motoman
                          Master of XSology
                          • Aug 2005
                          • 8413
                          • Grand Junction, Colorado

                          #57
                          Originally posted by jetmechmarty
                          I never worried about it. I worry about white plugs.
                          Well, unless fuel changes,......... worry it is.
                          81H Venturer1100 "The Bentley" (on steroids) 97 Yamaha YZ250(age reducer) 92 Honda ST1100 "Twisty"(touring rocket) Age is relative to the number of seconds counted 'airing' out an 85ft. table-top.

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                          • jetmechmarty
                            Master of XSology
                            • Nov 2003
                            • 7761
                            • Coldwater, Mississippi

                            #58
                            Thanx motoman! I replaced all of the needles & seats. I used the kits from Georgefix.
                            Marty (in Mississippi)
                            XS1100SG
                            XS650SK
                            XS650SH
                            XS650G
                            XS6502F
                            XS650E

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                            • jetmechmarty
                              Master of XSology
                              • Nov 2003
                              • 7761
                              • Coldwater, Mississippi

                              #59
                              OK, I'm back home and after the bike. I installed new Mikuni jets 115 across the mains. New 42.5 in the slow. #2 is stripped, so I left it alone.

                              Jeff came over with his "cave man" float gauge and helped me get the fuel level set across the board. It worked well. I reinstalled the bank and it fired right up. Idle was a little rough. #2 header was not as hot as the other three. I opened all of the mixture screws another 1/2 turn and it smoothed out nicely. I hope I'm done for a while.
                              Marty (in Mississippi)
                              XS1100SG
                              XS650SK
                              XS650SH
                              XS650G
                              XS6502F
                              XS650E

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                              • motoman
                                Master of XSology
                                • Aug 2005
                                • 8413
                                • Grand Junction, Colorado

                                #60
                                Glad to hear it's "alive" and runnin,' at least close to normal again.............
                                81H Venturer1100 "The Bentley" (on steroids) 97 Yamaha YZ250(age reducer) 92 Honda ST1100 "Twisty"(touring rocket) Age is relative to the number of seconds counted 'airing' out an 85ft. table-top.

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