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  • De-link the XJ front and rear brakes

    The decision to de-link the brakes needs to be your own. In my case the bike had a non-functioning proportioning valve and rather than replace it I decided to spend the repair money instead to separate the front from the back. Had the valve been working correctly I can't say that I would have done this but I really like the end result.

    After buying my XJ I learned soon enough that I had no rear brakes. The first sign of trouble was trying to bleed the rear caliper and getting no brake fluid. Once heading in to pull the rear master cylinder it was evident that the previous owner had been in there too. After pulling the rear M/C 3 times and opening the proportioning valve 3 times I decided it was time for something different. I'm a reasonably bright guy but can't figure out what's wrong with this valve even though it's clean so I doubt that I would be able to identify a working replacement. I've also ridden for years without linked brakes so it was an easy decision for me.

    Here's the proportioning valve torn apart. Seems simple enough. Oh well moving on.





    Here the rear master cylinder has had the front brake line removed and opening plugged. The opening is not deep so I used the fill plug from the Master Cylinder. The fill plug hole is tapped much deeper and I was able to use a bolt from the parts bin. Note they both have crush washers under them.





    On to the front. The XJ relies on a beefy 3/4" bore rear Master Cylinder to provide lots of fluid to drive the rear and left front calipers. The front Master Cylinder is 14mm (smaller than 5/8") dia. bore to drive the right front brake. I decided to look elsewhere in the Yamaha line and didn't have to look far. The 920 Viragos are twin front disc non-linked brake setups and there are lots of their parts on ebay. I picked up a really nice '82 Virago front Master Cylinder which is 5/8" bore, almost 3mm larger than the stock XJ 14mm Master Cylinder. The 920 Viragos have similar handlebars as the XJ so the M/C reservoir is sloped like the XJ's. Prior to installing I disassembled and cleaned the replacement M/C as I had already cleaned and rebuilt all the calipers. On a side note the wiring is exactly the same including color codes.

    Next item in need is brake lines. The XJ has one long brake line from the front M/C that goes clear to the front right caliper. This has to go. The left side is connected to the rear via a connector on the lower triple tree. This has to go too. While it may be possible to find a longer banjo bolt and reuse the fitting the fitting needed is easy to find on eBay.





    Next up some different brake lines. This is a nice used set of lines I found on eBay from a non-linked XS. While I may convert to stainless in the future I wanted to get the system working first and determine the length of the lines needed. This set while 30+ years old looks very nice with no cracking and are as nice as what I'm pulling off.





    While running the lines the only real problem is that the brake line coupling on the lower triple tree is different with the XS parts. Basically there is a bolt hole and pin arrangement that is backwards from the XS to the XJ. Pulling the parts of the triple tree reveal both holes are there and tapped : )





    The welded piece that contains the wiring harness has a hole on one side and a rivet used as a locator pin on the other. In order to install the XS part the rivet needs to be removed which was easy with a 4.5" angle head grinder.





    There's a small tack weld on the rivet head that was easily removed and the rivet knocked out.





    With the rivet knocked out the hole needs to be larger.





    Now the XS brake line junction block fits and it has a stub on the left side that goes through the bracket and into the lower T/T. I had to find a longer bolt than stock to fasten the junction block back up to the lower T/T.





    From here the rest is easy. Mount the replacement front Master Cylinder and connect the upper brake line. Note the Virago part looks right at home on the XJ.







    Connect the lower hoses and bleed the brakes. I did have to move the lower hose rubber grommets after removing the XS mounting tabs.







    As you can see everything fits great. I now can stop the bike with the front brakes using 2 fingers and I can pass on the front brakes when there's loose material on the street. I live in a Northern State that uses Sand, Cinders, and salt in the winters so there's always an abundance of loose material on the streets in the spring. Also many of the cities around here use a powered machine for filling pot holes that dispenses liquid tar substance followed by real small pea gravel over the top and you never know when you are going to turn a corner and find the city just hit all the cracks in the street and theres loose pea gravel everywhere for a couple days.

    John
    1970? Honda Z50... gone
    1974? Yamaha 100 Enduro... gone
    1974 Honda CB200... gone
    1981 Yamaha Virago 750... gone
    1993 Honda Shadow 1100... gone
    2008 Honda VTX 1800F
    1982 Yamaha XJ1100J w/850 final, Raptor ACCT
    1979 Yamaha XS1100SF "Chewey" Raptor ACCT

    http://www.johnsoldiron.com

  • #2
    Good Job!

    Looks good!
    What effect, if any, did your disconnection of the front left caliper from the rear MC have on the rear brake pedal sensitivity ?
    I have an XJ rear MC and am pondering a rear dual caliper or dual pot caliper setup.
    1980 XS1100G "Dolly G" Full Dresser (with a coat of many colors )
    1979 XS1100SF (stock-euro mods planned)
    1984 XV700L Virago (to be hot-modded)
    1983 XJ750MK Midnight Maxim (semi-restored DD)
    1977 XS650D ( patiently awaiting resto)

    Sometimes it takes a whole tank of gas before you can think straight.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Schming View Post
      Looks good!
      What effect, if any, did your disconnection of the front left caliper from the rear MC have on the rear brake pedal sensitivity ?
      I have an XJ rear MC and am pondering a rear dual caliper or dual pot caliper setup.
      I don't have any problem with the rear say being too much M/C for the brake but then the rear never worked on the bike when I bought it so not sure what was like. I've had several bikes without linked brakes and it seems to behave just fine. FWIW the rear caliper is I believe is like 45mm dia and the fronts are 38mm dia so you may to need a larger capy M/C to operate it anyway. I've never locked up the rear unintentionally if that helps.
      1970? Honda Z50... gone
      1974? Yamaha 100 Enduro... gone
      1974 Honda CB200... gone
      1981 Yamaha Virago 750... gone
      1993 Honda Shadow 1100... gone
      2008 Honda VTX 1800F
      1982 Yamaha XJ1100J w/850 final, Raptor ACCT
      1979 Yamaha XS1100SF "Chewey" Raptor ACCT

      http://www.johnsoldiron.com

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      • #4
        Nice walk-through on the conversion.... I especially like the XV front master...

        How much rear pedal travel do you have when fully applied?
        Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

        '78E original owner - resto project
        '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
        '82 XJ rebuild project
        '80SG restified, red SOLD
        '79F parts...
        '81H more parts...

        Other current bikes:
        '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
        '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
        '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
        Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
        Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Schming View Post
          What effect, if any, did your disconnection of the front left caliper from the rear MC have on the rear brake pedal sensitivity ?
          I have an XJ rear MC and am pondering a rear dual caliper or dual pot caliper setup.
          I can address that to a degree; I'm installing 4-piston Harley calipers front and rear on one of my '78s, and the 'donor' bike uses the same size bore cylinders front and rear as any 'standard' (non-linked brakes) XS, i.e. 11/16" front and 1/2" rear....
          Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

          '78E original owner - resto project
          '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
          '82 XJ rebuild project
          '80SG restified, red SOLD
          '79F parts...
          '81H more parts...

          Other current bikes:
          '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
          '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
          '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
          Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
          Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by crazy steve View Post
            Nice walk-through on the conversion.... I especially like the XV front master...

            How much rear pedal travel do you have when fully applied?
            I'd have to check to be sure. I was aware that it might be too much M/C but after riding 150 miles I don't even notice it. I'd guess that 2/3 travel is full lock which can be impacted to some degree by adjusting the linkage rod to the M/C. It behaves about like my other bike. With the fronts working well I use them for most of the braking action anyway when the street is clean. My other bike is an 1800 vtx with 6 puck calipers on the front, now that bike will stop and its also 250lbs heavier with my accy's.
            1970? Honda Z50... gone
            1974? Yamaha 100 Enduro... gone
            1974 Honda CB200... gone
            1981 Yamaha Virago 750... gone
            1993 Honda Shadow 1100... gone
            2008 Honda VTX 1800F
            1982 Yamaha XJ1100J w/850 final, Raptor ACCT
            1979 Yamaha XS1100SF "Chewey" Raptor ACCT

            http://www.johnsoldiron.com

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            • #7
              I did the

              same thing. I have the whole proportioning valve/brake assembly sitting in a box upstairs in my shop. I don't know if it will work or not but when I checked for replacement parts and found there weren't any, it was history. I never even liked the concept. The 79 special D ring and wye, negates the need for grinding etc. for the from brakes. Orientation nopples etc are already in prtoper location.
              mack
              79 XS 1100 SF Special
              HERMES
              original owner
              http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps6932d5df.jpg

              81 XS 1100 LH MNS
              SPICA
              http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/mack-055/2.jpg

              78 XS 11E
              IOTA
              https://youtu.be/wB5Jfbp6SUc
              https://youtu.be/RaI3WYHSuWA



              Have recovery trailer and shop if you breakdown in my area.
              Frankford, Ont, Canada
              613-398-6186

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              • #8
                good God

                I type stuff on my tablet and who knows what comes out. Man, my fingers do the walking but these things have a mind of their own. tHATS it, getting a key board.
                mack
                79 XS 1100 SF Special
                HERMES
                original owner
                http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps6932d5df.jpg

                81 XS 1100 LH MNS
                SPICA
                http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/mack-055/2.jpg

                78 XS 11E
                IOTA
                https://youtu.be/wB5Jfbp6SUc
                https://youtu.be/RaI3WYHSuWA



                Have recovery trailer and shop if you breakdown in my area.
                Frankford, Ont, Canada
                613-398-6186

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by crazy steve View Post
                  I can address that to a degree; I'm installing 4-piston Harley calipers front and rear on one of my '78s, and the 'donor' bike uses the same size bore cylinders front and rear as any 'standard' (non-linked brakes) XS, i.e. 11/16" front and 1/2" rear....
                  Hi Steve, would the stock 1/2'' bore rear MC properly actuate two Standard calipers ? I'm contemplating a mounting system that will allow me to use the stock parts.
                  Or, would the XJ rear MC with the 3/4'' bore, be the better choice, plumbed form the proportioning valve, one line to each caliper ?
                  Or, remove the proportioning valve and run a singal line to the first caliper, double the banjo there and a short line to the second caliper.
                  The real question is, and what I'd like to acheive is "Two Toe Braking'' for the rear brakes and if the 3/4'' bore would be better for this.

                  Thanxs
                  1980 XS1100G "Dolly G" Full Dresser (with a coat of many colors )
                  1979 XS1100SF (stock-euro mods planned)
                  1984 XV700L Virago (to be hot-modded)
                  1983 XJ750MK Midnight Maxim (semi-restored DD)
                  1977 XS650D ( patiently awaiting resto)

                  Sometimes it takes a whole tank of gas before you can think straight.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by mack View Post
                    I type stuff on my tablet and who knows what comes out. Man, my fingers do the walking but these things have a mind of their own. tHATS it, getting a key board.
                    Both your bikes in the signature are a work of art, you are a real craftsman. I'd love to have an XS that looked like that, I remember drooling over them when they were new.
                    1970? Honda Z50... gone
                    1974? Yamaha 100 Enduro... gone
                    1974 Honda CB200... gone
                    1981 Yamaha Virago 750... gone
                    1993 Honda Shadow 1100... gone
                    2008 Honda VTX 1800F
                    1982 Yamaha XJ1100J w/850 final, Raptor ACCT
                    1979 Yamaha XS1100SF "Chewey" Raptor ACCT

                    http://www.johnsoldiron.com

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