It was all good until....

[Rasputin]

go to http://www.xs11.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31788&page=3 and if you roll thru the pages you will see various pics of the valve timing marks etc. You will probably have to get three pages in or so before you will see what I am trying to convey.

[Brad]

Thanks all, MRevet80 is my buddy Mike. He's going to post some pics real quick.

[cywelchjr]

If you didn't follow the procedure for removing the cam chain adjuster, then before moving the crank again, you will probably need to remove BOTH cams from the head and put them back in the correct position AFTER putting the crank in the correct position. Otherwise as has been mentioned, your chances of bent valves could be of a VERY high level of probability. Now is the time to be VERY cautious. This is the point where you could very easily break things.

[Brad]

Pictures of the Cam's










Thats about as far as we got today. We dont really know what we are looking for at this point.

[DAVINCI]

Ok, i'm gonna venture a wild guess here and say that you don't have a service manual, right? "cause if you did, you'd know that to check the cam timing, you should line up the 'T' mark, NOT the 'C'

[crazy steve]

This what you should see...

Look here: http://www.xs11.com/forum/showthread...223#post357223

The second and third pics show how the cams should line up. If you don't see any marks on the cams the first time you line up the 'T' mark, turn the motor around once more. If you still can't see any marks or they're way the hell off, it's a good chance you bent some valves....

[Brad]

No manual. I've tried to download it from Cat's site to my IPad , doesn't work. We are going to try and get one from Canadian tire, if not, going to print one off my p/c at home this weekend. So we don't have a paper copy at the moment. We are just at the point of looking, is this is what we've found.
In your opinion, is that why his muffler came off, due to a back fire?

[trdriver71]

No manual. I've tried to download it from Cat's site to my IPad , doesn't work. We are going to try and get one from Canadian tire, if not, going to print one off my p/c at home this weekend. So we don't have a paper copy at the moment. We are just at the point of looking, is this is what we've found.
In your opinion, is that why his muffler came off, due to a back fire?

Your not going to find one at canadian tire they only carry hanes manuals.

[DGXSER]

Just to reinforce this, do NOT turn the crank or cams without the cam chain tensioner in place!!!!

Good news is your chain is in place.

[MRevet80]

I want to thank everyone for all the help so far. The pics you see all show where things are when the bike stopped working. We havn't moved the crank at all. At this point I want to figure out what is wrong and what caused the problem. If the timing is out, that can be fixed, but I am still trying to figure out how the timing got out of wack while driving down the road. These bikes are new to me and a little confusing at times. If you asked me to fix your Hiab crane I could do that.

Thanks to all.

[crazy steve]

The bummer is if the cams have jumped time, you're going to have to turn the motor at some point to disassemble it 'normally'. But any damage has probably already been done. Worse case, if it won't turn without forcing (and I wouldn't force it) and you have to pull the head, cut the timing chain (use a set of bolt cutters) to get it off the cams, then you can pull the motor apart....

[trdriver71]

The timing marks that you are looking for are the little dots on the cam and bearing cap, not any marks on the gears. Just like the photo I just borrowed from doug. (by the way thanks)

[motoman]

If the timing is out, that can be fixed, but I am still trying to figure out how the timing got out of wack while driving down the road.

Thanks to all.

Having the stock cam chain adjuster, may have been likely the retainer rod got pushed back under a hard decel. That IS an issue with the stock adjuster, and if pushed back far enough the chain can jump teeth at the crank or cams.

[MRevet80]

update

Ok, so the motor looks to be in time. Brad and I took a moment to put the tensioner back in and check the timing. When we line everything up to the "T" both of the cam's line up. One thing that I did notice was that there is some play in the crank timing cover plate. If you grab the timing plate and pull on it, it will move in and out close to a 1/4". It has enough play that you can see where it has been rubbing on the cover.

Trying to post pics

[Brad]

Email them to me and I will Post them