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  • oil coming out carbs and exhaust help plz!!!

    hi guys,

    im having some problems with the 1100sg ive got my suspisions of what it is but i want some advice on what it is and what you guys would do if it happend to you well here it goes i was on my way to portland oregon this past week for work with a friend the wheather was going to be pretty fair so we both decided to take the bikes along the way my friend was talking smak about my 32 year bike so it was my obligation to show him what this super bike was cabable of she ran fine and really dropped my friends jaw when i came screaming by him it was on my way back home when i came across my troubles i was riding her nicely doing the speed limit when i was getting oil out the carbs and exhust manifolds i limped her only able to go 40mph while sputtering finally coming to rest a mile outside my house never to start again any ideas guys and just when i was getting attached to her is it something i can fix or has the bike given up the gost at 52000 miles
    80sg (currently getting motor swap)

  • #2
    Start by cleaning the carbs, and then check your crankcase breather system. You have a 1/2" hose from the rear breather to the airbox. The hose connects at the center top of the box. Remove the hose, and turn the engine over with the starter. If you feel pressure pulses from the hose, pull ONE spark plug at a time, and try again. When you do NOT have a pulse, that is the problem spot. You may have cracked a ring, or put a hole in the top of a piston. That is the WORST it could be. As I don't know the history of the engine, it may just be too much oil, and the high speed caused it to blow out the breather and choke off the air to the carbs.
    Let us know what you find, and go from there....
    Ray Matteis
    KE6NHG
    XS1100 E '78 (winter project)
    XS1100 SF Bob Jones worked on it!

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    • #3
      How full is the oil.... and are you sure it was oil that was coming out? When you check the oil, the bike has to be on it's centerstand or level; if you check/add it while on the sidestand, it's overfilled. If you had a carb float stick open (a common enough problem), you may have poured enough gas into the motor to raise the oil level. Or you may have simply been seeing raw gas. Will the motor still turn over? What do the plugs look like? If it's seized, it may be done...

      Check the oil level, and see if the engine oil smells of gas. Do the checks Ray mentioned...
      Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

      '78E original owner - resto project
      '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
      '82 XJ rebuild project
      '80SG restified, red SOLD
      '79F parts...
      '81H more parts...

      Other current bikes:
      '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
      '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
      '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
      Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
      Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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      • #4
        My guess is that you've had a drastic mechanical 'event' occur after a high-speed burn. I'd say you've blown a piston, or cracked a piston ring or two.

        Remove the plugs and turn the engine with your finger firmly over each plug hole in turn. I suspect you may find very poor/zero compression on one cylinder.

        Try this and report back!
        XS1100F 1980 European model. Standard. Dyna coils. Iridium plugs. XS750 final drive (sometimes). Micron fork brace. Progressive front springs. Geezer regulator/rectifier. Stainless 4 into 2 exhaust. Auto CCT (Venturer 1300) SOLD. New project now on the go. 1980 European model.

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        • #5
          Do the checks the others have suggested. It can be repaired, no matter what the situation. It depends on how much you are willing to put into it both monitarily and labor wise. Parts are available on this forum or there are links to where you can obtain them. In the end, if you decide it's not worth the money or time, I'm sure there are people on here, like me, that could use some of your parts for our own repairs so don't just junk it.
          Can't beat the smell of gas & oil

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          • #6
            Ive done a total tear down of the carbs 2 weeks ago they are nice a clean also added fuel filters as per thread on this website as for checking oil and spark plugs ive been meaning to do that I will have a chance to do it today after work im sure its oil smells and feels like it as far as condition of the engine I dont know ive only had the bike a year but my guess is she had a hard life thanks for all your input ill let you guys know
            80sg (currently getting motor swap)

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            • #7
              I have seen excess fuel in the exhaust run out looking black like oil. But form what you explained, coming out the air box / carbs as oil, that would indicate it is oil. And if it is coming out both like that, my opinion is your going to find a hole in a piston.
              Life is what happens while your planning everything else!

              When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.

              81 XS1100 Special - Humpty Dumpty
              80 XS1100 Special - Project Resurrection


              Previously owned
              93 GSX600F
              80 XS1100 Special - Ruby
              81 XS1100 Special
              81 CB750 C
              80 CB750 C
              78 XS750

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              • #8
                Ok ive done compression readings on all my cyilanders here are all of my redings
                #1 59psi #2 61psi #3 0psi #4 90 psi also spark plug 3 had all the oil in it very fouled plug too one strange thing I noticed with 3 is I got no reading at first but anyone who has used on of these gauges know to put a little oil in the cyliander to get a better reading sure enough I got the needle to jump as for the oil in the crank I was low about a quart and a half low pistom movement looks to be alright as far as puting my finger over the spark plug hole very very little pressure behind my finger
                80sg (currently getting motor swap)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DGXSER View Post
                  ...my opinion is your going to find a hole in a piston.
                  +1 on that..... bummer....
                  Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

                  '78E original owner - resto project
                  '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
                  '82 XJ rebuild project
                  '80SG restified, red SOLD
                  '79F parts...
                  '81H more parts...

                  Other current bikes:
                  '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
                  '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
                  '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
                  Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
                  Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by NathanP View Post
                    Ok ive done compression readings on all my cyilanders here are all of my redings
                    #1 59psi #2 61psi #3 0psi #4 90 psi also spark plug 3 had all the oil in it very fouled plug too one strange thing I noticed with 3 is I got no reading at first but anyone who has used on of these gauges know to put a little oil in the cyliander to get a better reading sure enough I got the needle to jump as for the oil in the crank I was low about a quart and a half low pistom movement looks to be alright as far as puting my finger over the spark plug hole very very little pressure behind my finger
                    looks like ur going to need to pull the head off,
                    when u do and before stripping the head, tilt the head
                    on its side and pour petrol into each port and see if u have
                    any leaking/seapage of the valves, then flip it over and do the
                    same thing with the other side.
                    if theres no leaks/seapage then
                    check the pistons, if theres no obvious holes in the top
                    have a look for any cracks.
                    if theres nothing wrong with the tops of the pistons ull have
                    to take the barrels off and check the rings.
                    pete


                    new owner of
                    08 gen2 hayabusa


                    former owner
                    1981 xs1100 RH (aus) (5N5)
                    zrx carbs
                    18mm float height
                    145 main jets
                    38 pilots
                    slide needle shimmed .5mm washer
                    fitted with v/stax and uni pod filters

                    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pA8dwxmAVA&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/url]

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                    • #11
                      I had a hole in my #3 too. Compression went to sh*#. pulled my head off and replace that psiton with a used one off ebay and put 4 new sets of rings on while I was in there. The only thing I wish I would have done during that repair was to replace the bas gasket under the jugs. the RTV/gasket sealer I used is just not holding that well and my bike now leaks. I've got little puddles in my carport and my pant legs get little stains on them now.
                      Here's the thread for my repairs.
                      http://www.xs11.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33964
                      Good luck and ask all those here for advice.
                      Did mine in one weekend.
                      Hi, my name is George & I'm a twisty addict!

                      80G (Green paint(PO idea))
                      The Green Monster
                      K&N A/F, TC's fuse block, '81 oil cooler, TC's homemade 4-2 w/Mac Mufflers, Raptor 660 ACCT
                      Got him in '04.
                      bald tire & borrowing parts

                      80SG (Black w/red emblems & calipers)
                      Scarlet
                      K&N A/F, TC's fuse block, WJ5, Shoei bags, Raptor 660 ACCT.
                      Got her in '11
                      Ready for the twisties!

                      81H (previously CPMaynard's)
                      Hugo
                      Full Venturer, Indigo Blue with B/W painted tank.
                      Cold weather ride

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by NathanP View Post
                        Ok ive done compression readings on all my cyilanders here are all of my redings
                        #1 59psi #2 61psi #3 0psi #4 90 psi also spark plug 3 had all the oil in it very fouled plug too one strange thing I noticed with 3 is I got no reading at first but anyone who has used on of these gauges know to put a little oil in the cyliander to get a better reading sure enough I got the needle to jump as for the oil in the crank I was low about a quart and a half low pistom movement looks to be alright as far as puting my finger over the spark plug hole very very little pressure behind my finger
                        Are you doing the test correctly with the throttle held wide open, Other plugs out and 4 pin plug at TCI disconnected? If not that would explain the readings.
                        79SF
                        XJ11
                        78E

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