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  • Lo-buck Engine Stand....

    There's been several threads/posts about engine stands, with a bunch of different solutions. Ranging from scratch-built units to adaptations of automotive stands.... well, here's another one!

    I orginally saw this stand built by Motoman out of a 'spare' frame using an automotive stand and liked the idea...



    ... but because almost all of the motor is above the pivot point, trying to rotate this will be a real chore, and I'm not so sure it wouldn't tip over if you tried. The problem is most automotive stands won't 'adjust in' far enough to get the motor any lower, getting the weight 'center' near the pivot; the adjusting ears are generally too long.



    The 'smallest' this one would adjust to was 11.25" across, a spot too wide. Well, I had a spare stand 'head', so I shortened the ears by 1.25" and got it to fit much better....



    .... but I suspect the stand may be ruined for automotive use now. And you still need a frame to cut up, plus the upper motor mounts; not everybody is going to have that laying around. I also didn't like having all the frame tubing and mounts in the way, makes cleaning/painting a bit harder. So I gave it a rethink, and came up with this....



    Cheap and easy to build, and now the front of the motor is open. Here's how to build it...



    Cut four pieces of 1/2" threaded rod, two 8", two 10". These will be long, but will allow adjustment in fitting; you can cut the extra off of the finished stand. Don't use smaller rod; the 1/2" is stiff enough. I welded four 3/4" wide, 1/4" thick, 2.5" long tabs onto the ends (mostly I used this size because I had some; 1" or 1.25" would work too), and be sure to check 'handedness' so they fit right. The holes are 3/8". You'll need to bend 'offset' bends in the two longer ones...



    ... as seen here; I did about a 3/4" offset. You may need more or less depending on your stand, you might have to offset all of them but I doubt it. The biggest pain will be 'fitting' the stand together, I'd suggest doing that on the motor to get it close and then removing it to 'fine tune' it. The upper tabs should be 10.625" inside-to-inside, the lower ones 9.5". To attach the stand to the motor, you'll need two 3/8" x 3" bolts, a piece of 3/8" threaded rod 12.25" long, and four 3/8" nuts. You'll also need eight 1/2" nuts to attach this to the stand. Two 3' pieces of threaded rod (both sizes, enough to do this) should be under $10, in fact all materials shouldn't be too much more than that. These engine stands can be bought new for under $50, but check CL for used ones; I've seen them as low as $10 used. Install the motor on the stand...



    ... and you can adjust the 1/2" nuts to get the motor level front-to-back.

    Don't have a welder? As an alternative, you can use 'strut L's (McMaster-Carr part #s 33125T32 [two hole] or 33125T34 [four hole], you should be able to find these locally) and bolt this together. You may need to grind the ends of the 'L's for clearance at the motor. You could even make your own out of angle iron, lot's of options...

    Questions or comments welcome!
    Last edited by crazy steve; 03-04-2012, 09:57 PM.
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    '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
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  • #2
    I've got an old bent Standard frame I want to do that with. One like is in the first pic, but I think I'll leave both the lower mounts on so I could actually split the cases while mounted to the stand.
    Greg

    Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

    ― Albert Einstein

    80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

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    • #3
      Greg, I've been trying to figure a way to build something so you could split the cases while on a stand, but it looks complicated. With only two mounts on the upper case, to split the cases it will mean you'll have to lift off the upper case, not the lower. You would have to pull the head/cylinders/pistons to do this I think. I know the FSM says to turn the motor upside down and remove the lower case when splitting them....
      Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

      '78E original owner - resto project
      '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
      '82 XJ rebuild project
      '80SG restified, red SOLD
      '79F parts...
      '81H more parts...

      Other current bikes:
      '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
      '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
      '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
      Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
      Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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      • #4
        For a rebuild you'll be pulling the jugs and head anyway so what difference would it make if your gonna lift the top or drop the bottom?

        With the two lower mounts in place the lower case would be held solid and you actually wouldn't need the front upper it seems to me.
        Greg

        Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

        ― Albert Einstein

        80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

        The list changes.

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        • #5
          I was trying to figure a way so you wouldn't have to do a complete teardown... Say if you needed to get deep into the trans or change out a starter clutch...
          Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

          '78E original owner - resto project
          '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
          '82 XJ rebuild project
          '80SG restified, red SOLD
          '79F parts...
          '81H more parts...

          Other current bikes:
          '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
          '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
          '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
          Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
          Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by crazy steve View Post

            I orginally saw this stand built by Motoman out of a 'spare' frame using an automotive stand and liked the idea...



            Questions or comments welcome!
            Sorry Steve, can't take credit for that, but thanks anyways. I do remember a couple years back, someones thread showing what they did......can't remember who though. With that said, as for me, if my Venturer motor 'gave up the ghost', I'd be done with it, as I really have no interest doing a rebuild, and I really don't need the practice anymore. Used to actually enjoy that sort of thing, high performance engine building with cages and racing, but anymore I just want them to go vvrroooomm.......vvvrrrrooomm without all that involvement. My hobby is ridin' them LD's, and of course firearms and re-loading. I still like designing and fabricating mounts, etc. for farkles on bikes and other things with motors, and draggin' out my stick and wire-feed to fabricate something, since that was always kind of my forte, but that's bout the extent of it. I give a big kudos to those like you, Scott and some others that still do it though!
            Last edited by motoman; 03-04-2012, 05:51 PM.
            81H Venturer1100 "The Bentley" (on steroids) 97 Yamaha YZ250(age reducer) 92 Honda ST1100 "Twisty"(touring rocket) Age is relative to the number of seconds counted 'airing' out an 85ft. table-top.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by crazy steve View Post
              I was trying to figure a way so you wouldn't have to do a complete teardown... Say if you needed to get deep into the trans or change out a starter clutch...
              Then your still stuck in the dark ages with the block floping around on a bench or the floor.

              You would have to build two separate mounts.

              The only thing I have come up with is something that bolts to the front upper engine mount and the exhaust studs for that type of operation since there is only one engine mount in the upper case.
              Greg

              Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

              ― Albert Einstein

              80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

              The list changes.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by motoman View Post
                Sorry Steve, can't take credit for that, but thanks anyways. I do remember a couple years back, someones thread showing what they did......can't remember who though..
                And apparently I can't remember either... I saved the pic, but don't recall just where I got it....

                This is pretty much designed to make cleaning/painting and external engine servicing easier. You can get all the covers off, get access to the trans through the oil pan, and not have to rassle the motor around on the floor. With my bad back, anything I can get to waist level is much better on my old body....
                Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

                '78E original owner - resto project
                '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
                '82 XJ rebuild project
                '80SG restified, red SOLD
                '79F parts...
                '81H more parts...

                Other current bikes:
                '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
                '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
                '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
                Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
                Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BA80 View Post

                  The only thing I have come up with is something that bolts to the front upper engine mount and the exhaust studs for that type of operation since there is only one engine mount in the upper case.
                  That was what I had seen done in that old thread.......seem to remember a couple small 1/4" or 3//8" ears welded to a couple small same size plates and bolted to a couple of the engine stand bell housing swivel/adjustable brackets.
                  81H Venturer1100 "The Bentley" (on steroids) 97 Yamaha YZ250(age reducer) 92 Honda ST1100 "Twisty"(touring rocket) Age is relative to the number of seconds counted 'airing' out an 85ft. table-top.

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                  • #10
                    I'm thinkin' cut the donor frame just below the front upper engine mount and just above the exhaust ports and weld a piece of angle iron with drilled holes to match the two studs closest together on the 1 & 2 and 3 & 4 exhaust ports.
                    Greg

                    Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                    ― Albert Einstein

                    80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

                    The list changes.

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                    • #11
                      I like the rotational stand adaption! I made this one up as I went along.

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                      • #12
                        You can get one of those automotive engine stands at Harbor Frieght for like 60 or 70 bucks. I used to have one but I think I loaned it to someone and forgot who.
                        Greg

                        Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                        ― Albert Einstein

                        80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

                        The list changes.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BA80 View Post
                          You can get one of those automotive engine stands at Harbor Frieght for like 60 or 70 bucks. I used to have one but I think I loaned it to someone and forgot who.
                          They're currently on sale for $46.....
                          Fast, Cheap, Reliable... Pick any two

                          '78E original owner - resto project
                          '78E ???? owner - Modder project FJ forks, 4-piston calipers F/R, 160/80-16 rear tire
                          '82 XJ rebuild project
                          '80SG restified, red SOLD
                          '79F parts...
                          '81H more parts...

                          Other current bikes:
                          '93 XL1200 Anniversary Sportster 85RWHP
                          '86 XL883/1200 Chopper
                          '82 XL1000 w/1450cc Buell, Baker 6-speed, in-progress project
                          Cage: '13 Mustang GT/CS with a few 'custom' touches
                          Yep, can't leave nuthin' alone...

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                          • #14
                            Awesome stand! Now to find a welder and a grinder...
                            Joab

                            "If nothing else, it will be interesting..."
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                            1979 XS1100SF
                            1972 XS2 650
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Joab View Post
                              Awesome stand! Now to find a welder and a grinder...
                              Hi Joab,
                              while you are at the pawnshop, look for a Sawzall and an air compressor too.
                              How can a person live without these things?
                              Fred Hill, S'toon
                              XS11SG with Spirit of America sidecar
                              "The Flying Pumpkin"

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