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  • Changing Fork Seals on a Special

    Today I replaced the fork seals in my SH. Being the special model it has the advantage of not needing to reach that nut down in the bottom of the fork tube, so I could not document that process. Here is how I went about it…

    To start with you want the front wheel off the ground, I use the center stand and then had my daughter lean on the back of the seat to lift the front of the bike up and put a jack stand under the frame cross member.


    Next, you want to remove the brake calipers from the forks. It could be done later, but makes wheel removal much simpler if done now. I find I have to remove at least one to get the wheel out anyway. I tied them to the engine guards as seen here to take the weight off the brake lines. Just do NOT squeeze the brake lever!!


    As part of removing the brake calipers, I pulled the rear bolts holding the front fender in place, so I continued and removed the front bolts as well letting the fender raise up.


    From here you want to remove the front wheel. This will then allow the fender to sit back by the engine area with the speedometer cable in its guide on the fender. So you now have the forks ready to remove. Before you do so, remove the air valve cap and release the air pressure from the fork(s) and then take a wrench and loosen the cap on top of the forks.


    Next, loosen the pinch bolt at the top triple tree that holds the fork in place, next loosen the lower triple tree pinch bolts. From here the fork will simply slide down out of the trees, it may take some twisting of the upper tube in the trees to get them to drop. Here is the fork removed.


    Time to disassemble a fork, it is a much simpler task than it may appear to be. First, finish removing the top cap/air cap. Keep downward pressure on the cap as you unscrew it, the spring will be pushing on it. Once you remove the cap, you will see the top of the inner spring, the tube will also slide down pretty easily.


    Remove the spring, notice one end is slightly smaller than the other, the small end goes into the fork first. Now is the time to drain out the old oil. Give the fork a few good pumps all the way in and out to get all the oil out.


    Now is one of the rougher parts of the job, removing that allen head socket cap screw in the bottom of the fork.


    It threads into the inner damper rod, which once you break the bolt loose (it is put in with locktite thread locker, so it takes some work to get it loose), will start to turn with the bolt. The way I overcome this is to grab the upper tube close to the dust boot and try to pull it out of the slider and hold pressure to keep that damper rod from turning. The bolt will turn out of the damper like this, but you will need to re-grip the upper tube a few times to keep pressure on the inner damper. Once the bolt comes loose, the upper tube will slide out of the slider (lower fork) and the inner damper and its spring will slide out of the upper tube. In the bottom of the upper tube, the end that was in the lower fork, is what is referred to as the oil lock piece, you will want to slide it out the bottom of the tube. Here is a pick of all the components disassembled.


    So now comes the coup-degra, the fork seal in the slider. You can see here, the seal is under a washer, which is held in by a C-clip.


    Removing that C-clip is the other part of the job that becomes not as easy as it should be. I have a set of lock ring pliers, they fit in the holes, but, as you get them squeezed together, they tend to pop back out of the holes, at least mine did. I eventually took a small screw driver and when I had the C-Clip compressed enough, slid the screw driver between the clip and the slider and use it to lightly pry the C- Clip out while I continued with the lock ring pliers. Once you get it out, the washer on top of the seal will come right out. So now you have the slider with the seal in it, and the washer and C-Clip.


    Also shown in that picture is a seal puller, a device I had never owned or used before, but Biker Phil had recommended it in a post on this process. Before I took on the task with this bike, I took the sliders I have left from the wrecked bike and removed those as a learning process. I can tell you having removed one with screw drivers and the like that the seal puller is WELL worth every penny of the $12 I paid for it!!! IT is still work to get the seal out, but A LOT less of it!!! So get one, you will thank yourself for it.

    Now that you have the old seal out, there is another washer/collar under the seal. Remove it and clean the inside of the slider and all the metal parts to be reused. I spray brake cleaner into the slider using my finger to plug the bottom hole and wash it out good. In this pic you see the old seal, the new seal, the washer/collar and the socket I used to drive the new seals in.


    After getting the new seal in, just reverse the process to reassemble the forks. Do not forget to put some locktite on the allen bolt in the bottom of the fork. Put your new fork oil in before you put the cap on the fork.

    Hopefully this is useful to some of you like me who had never opened up a fork before.
    Life is what happens while your planning everything else!

    When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.

    81 XS1100 Special - Humpty Dumpty
    80 XS1100 Special - Project Resurrection


    Previously owned
    93 GSX600F
    80 XS1100 Special - Ruby
    81 XS1100 Special
    81 CB750 C
    80 CB750 C
    78 XS750

  • #2
    Nice tech tip Don.

    Originally posted by DGXSER View Post
    put the cap on the fork.
    Ahh, now comes the fun part.
    2H7 (79) owned since '89
    3H3 owned since '06

    "If it ain't broke, modify it"

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    • #3
      Two things I would like to add. One, be careful not to drive the seal in to hard and deep. I've ruined a couple that way.

      Also, just my opinion but, I'm not certain locktite is a good idea in that application. That bolt is hard enough to get out and to my knowledge, none that were tightend properly ever fell out.

      Not trying to step on your post Don, just sharing my experience here.
      Greg

      Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

      ― Albert Einstein

      80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by bikerphil View Post
        Nice tech tip Don.



        Ahh, now comes the fun part.
        Ha ha.... yup. I found that if I clip a medium pair of vise grips standing up on the nut part it's much easier to hold on to to start the cap.
        Greg

        Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

        ― Albert Einstein

        80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

        The list changes.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by BA80 View Post
          Also, just my opinion but, I'm not certain locktite is a good idea in that application. That bolt is hard enough to get out and to my knowledge, none that were tightened properly ever fell out..
          I'll agree with that. If anything, I'll put a dab of sealer under the bolt head to prevent any possible leaks, but no locktite.

          I'll add one more thing; while you have the forks apart, check the condition of the top bushing (pressed into the slider). Before reassembling, slip the inner tube into the slider and make sure that bushing is still 'tight'. If that gets loose enough, you'll have issues with shortened seal life. Generally not a problem, but a quick, easy check. If it is bad, you may be SOL; Yamaha doesn't show these as a separate part for some reason, but it may be possible to fit ones out of similar 37mm forks.
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          • #6
            Before I put the spring in, I screw the cap in a turn and back it out to see what "oclock" position the threads begin. It makes it sooooo much easier if you know where you're at when you're struggling compressing the spring. This is particularly helpful on these Special fork caps which have course threads. You can also make a special tool for starting the caps ↓

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            2H7 (79) owned since '89
            3H3 owned since '06

            "If it ain't broke, modify it"

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            • #7
              haven't done mine yet, any difference between the 79 and this one
              81 XS1100H

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              • #8
                Specials all years are the same.
                2H7 (79) owned since '89
                3H3 owned since '06

                "If it ain't broke, modify it"

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                • #9
                  Phil, you got all the cool tools!! I always just put that same cresent on the cap and then push down really hard. Now I also cheat typically and have the fork in the trees when I install the cap. Putting that cap on holding the fork tube in your hands I can see would be just about impossible without a tool like those. I actually have not put them back in yet, I bought the 10W fork oil per the manual, but reading through a few post prior to doing this work I see more than couple folks show opinion I respect suggest upping it to 15W, so I am going to exchange the oil.

                  As to the locktite, well Clymers instructs you to put some Locktite on that bolt. I did see today that the FSM does not mention it. Personally, I figure it is better to have some extra insurance than not, and I see nothing it can hurt by adding it. And as long as those seals should last if the forks are cared for, at my age, the bike should have another owner before they need replacing again. Call the locktite subject to your preference.
                  Life is what happens while your planning everything else!

                  When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.

                  81 XS1100 Special - Humpty Dumpty
                  80 XS1100 Special - Project Resurrection


                  Previously owned
                  93 GSX600F
                  80 XS1100 Special - Ruby
                  81 XS1100 Special
                  81 CB750 C
                  80 CB750 C
                  78 XS750

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                  • #10
                    Leaker

                    Ok, so after getting the fork oil in, putting about 15lb of air in the forks, I find that one of them now is putting an oil puddle on the floor. It is coming out the top of the slider, so around the new fork seal. Have not even ridden the bike, so only the air pressure pushed the oil out.

                    So, my assumption is that somehow I messed that seal up and need a new one, but as mentioned, I have not tackeled the task before. Is there a way I could have misassembled and need to just remove and reinstall the fork components?
                    Life is what happens while your planning everything else!

                    When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.

                    81 XS1100 Special - Humpty Dumpty
                    80 XS1100 Special - Project Resurrection


                    Previously owned
                    93 GSX600F
                    80 XS1100 Special - Ruby
                    81 XS1100 Special
                    81 CB750 C
                    80 CB750 C
                    78 XS750

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                    • #11
                      nice tutorial. not all fork seal leaks are from the seals. I think few. Have fixed 3 without changing seals. Microscopic grooves in the inner fork tubes were the problem, seals were good,
                      79SF
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                      78E

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                      • #12
                        A couple of things I do. I do not put any sealant or thread locker on my allen bolts, but I do check the condition of my copper washers to see if they need replacing. The seal removal tool is worth twice its cost as it makes removal so simple. Good call on that. I also clock my fork tube caps which makes simple hand install easy. I also do a dab of the "Right stuff" on the outer side of the fork seal just before assembly. Then as soon as I have the fork assembled (off the bike) I apply air pressure to it. This drives the seal upwards and then when the right stuff sets it is in position.
                        As far as your leak goes I would have to remind you of what BA80 said and question if you set the seal too deep. If it is in too far you will have problems, from my experience. Just some things I do that all may not agree are right but they work for me. YMMV
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                        • #13
                          When I did my 79SF I messed up the first set of seals as the forks still leaked. With the second set I took my time and ensured the seal interior lip had consistent contact and was not folded over nor was cut with the installaton.
                          Darrell
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                          80G project
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DGXSER View Post
                            Ok, so after getting the fork oil in, putting about 15lb of air in the forks, I find that one of them now is putting an oil puddle on the floor. It is coming out the top of the slider, so around the new fork seal. Have not even ridden the bike, so only the air pressure pushed the oil out.

                            So, my assumption is that somehow I messed that seal up and need a new one, but as mentioned, I have not tackeled the task before. Is there a way I could have misassembled and need to just remove and reinstall the fork components?
                            If you used a metal socket as a seal driver, it is possible that you dinged the seal, heck it's even possible with the PVC seal drivers. After adding the new oil, did you pump the fork several times (top cap off) to purge the air out? If not, it might be possible that by adding the additional air, it forced oil out of the seal. Also, if not careful, the seal can be accidentally severed by the lower bushing when installing the stanchion, JAT.
                            2H7 (79) owned since '89
                            3H3 owned since '06

                            "If it ain't broke, modify it"

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by bikerphil View Post
                              If you used a metal socket as a seal driver, it is possible that you dinged the seal, heck it's even possible with the PVC seal drivers. After adding the new oil, did you pump the fork several times (top cap off) to purge the air out? If not, it might be possible that by adding the additional air, it forced oil out of the seal. Also, if not careful, the seal can be accidentally severed by the lower bushing when installing the stanchion, JAT.
                              All good points Phil - thanks. I am sure I did not pump the fork after assembly. I will look it over after disassembly hopefully this weekend and see what the seal looks like. Probably just order another set to have on hand anyway. Sucks when they leak worse after you fix them than they did before...
                              Life is what happens while your planning everything else!

                              When your work speaks for itself, don't interrupt.

                              81 XS1100 Special - Humpty Dumpty
                              80 XS1100 Special - Project Resurrection


                              Previously owned
                              93 GSX600F
                              80 XS1100 Special - Ruby
                              81 XS1100 Special
                              81 CB750 C
                              80 CB750 C
                              78 XS750

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