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    Riding 80 XS1100sg home from work last week. I hit a bump and ignition shut off. Lights still working. Would not turn engine with starter button.
    I Did hot wire a wire fron the starter side of the solenoid, arc the two solenoid terminals with a wrench to start and rode home.

    I can not fix it with duct tape and a hammer...Must be electrical.

    I am looking.
    Brent in GA
    It is a great big beautiful world out there
    Brent in GA
    Yamaha 80XS1100SG, HD Firefighter Special Edition 02 Road King, Honda 450 rat, 08 Buell 1125R tour modified, 83 goldwing parts bike gone-traded for XJ1100, 2014 HD electraglide police

  • #2
    tipover switch?
    Former owner, but I have NO PARTS LEFT!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by DAVINCI View Post
      tipover switch?
      If it was the tipover switch, it wouldn't start at all, even arcing across the solenoid.
      1980 XS850SG - Sold
      1981 XS1100LH Midnight Special (Sold) - purchased 9/29/08
      Fully Vetterized and Dynojet Kit added, Heated Grips, Truck-Lite LED headlight, Accel Coils, Irridium plugs, TKAT Fork Brace, XS850LH Final Drive & Black SS Brake lines from Chacal.
      Here's my web page devoted to my bike! XS/XJ User's Manuals there, and the XJ1100 Service Manual and both XS1100 Service manuals (free download!).

      Whether you think you can, or you think you cannot - You're right.
      -H. Ford

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      • #4
        Tipover module
        Ignition fuse
        Kill switch
        Key switch
        solonoid

        If all the lights come on, I am guessing the solonoid could be suspect.
        Skids (Sid Hansen)

        Down to one 1978 E. Stock air box with K&N filter, 81H pipes and carbs, 8500 feet elevation.

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        • #5
          If all the lights come on, I am guessing the solonoid could be suspect.
          It died while running, which to me indicates an ignition fuse loose.

          Something very similar happened to me once. Hit a bump down the interstate at night, bike died. pulled to side and wouldn't crank. pushed it 1/4mile down the off ramp to a 7-11 and some light, pulled the side cover off and a fuse fell out. put the fuse back in, vroom. off I went.

          Thinking about your problem, you might have a loose connection with the right hand switch. (start button and kill switch) If you lost those... bike would die and you couldn't start.
          Hi, my name is George & I'm a twisty addict!

          80G (Green paint(PO idea))
          The Green Monster
          K&N A/F, TC's fuse block, '81 oil cooler, TC's homemade 4-2 w/Mac Mufflers, Raptor 660 ACCT
          Got him in '04.
          bald tire & borrowing parts

          80SG (Black w/red emblems & calipers)
          Scarlet
          K&N A/F, TC's fuse block, WJ5, Shoei bags, Raptor 660 ACCT.
          Got her in '11
          Ready for the twisties!

          81H (previously CPMaynard's)
          Hugo
          Full Venturer, Indigo Blue with B/W painted tank.
          Cold weather ride

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          • #6
            Had a similar problem when I had my 79SF. Turned out to be the wiring harness connector under the tank coming from the front. Got pulled a bit and when I turned it would shut down.
            Richard

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            • #7
              Originally posted by skids View Post
              Tipover module
              Ignition fuse
              Kill switch
              Key switch
              solonoid

              If all the lights come on, I am guessing the solonoid could be suspect.
              Thanks for directions.

              I checked emergency kill switch. Filthy. Cleaned it but plastic crumbled & broke, contact poles loose. Two wires going to it are now fastened to same screw.

              Checked & cleaned many plugs connections; under seat, under tank, in headlight bucket. Found a single female plug connection on a red wire with nothing to plug in in the headlight bucket. Also a female plug connection with 2 blue wires on one end. Maybe extra for something?

              Did not change tipover switch. Was running out of ideas, stumped...I will check that tomarrow

              starter button, solenoid & starter were working, then quit while turning over engine looking for spark in removed & grounded spark plugs. (may be that tipover module...)

              Brent in GA

              advice from auto parts guy who sold me more CRC wire connection cleaner spray "Get a bigger hammer."
              It is a great big beautiful world out there
              Brent in GA
              Yamaha 80XS1100SG, HD Firefighter Special Edition 02 Road King, Honda 450 rat, 08 Buell 1125R tour modified, 83 goldwing parts bike gone-traded for XJ1100, 2014 HD electraglide police

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              • #8
                Tipover switch is easy to bypass, just unplug the 2 wire connector.
                2H7 (79) owned since '89
                3H3 owned since '06

                "If it ain't broke, modify it"

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                • #9
                  Tipover won't stop the starter from engaging though, just keep you from getting spark. Have you tried jiggling the key around back and forth, it sounds like it could maybe be the ignition switch itself. Also check that the fuse box isn't the problem, you did replace that with something newer than the original OEM one right?
                  Cy

                  1980 XS1100G (Brutus) w/81H Engine
                  Duplicolor Mirage Paint Job (Purple/Green)
                  Vetter Windjammer IV
                  Vetter hard bags & Trunk
                  OEM Luggage Rack
                  Jardine Spaghetti 4-2 exhaust system
                  Spade Fuse Box
                  Turn Signal Auto Cancel Mod
                  750 FD Mod
                  TC Spin on Oil Filter Adapter (temp removed)
                  XJ1100 Front Footpegs
                  XJ1100 Shocks

                  I was always taught to respect my elders, but it keeps getting harder to find one.

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                  • #10
                    Extra wires

                    The extra wires in the headlight are normal, don't worry about that, my best guess is in the fuse box, weak link on these, if all is good there, check your grounds, they fail and can give up from a bump, good luck
                    Originally posted by Brent View Post
                    Thanks for directions.

                    I checked emergency kill switch. Filthy. Cleaned it but plastic crumbled & broke, contact poles loose. Two wires going to it are now fastened to same screw.

                    Checked & cleaned many plugs connections; under seat, under tank, in headlight bucket. Found a single female plug connection on a red wire with nothing to plug in in the headlight bucket. Also a female plug connection with 2 blue wires on one end. Maybe extra for something?

                    Did not change tipover switch. Was running out of ideas, stumped...I will check that tomarrow

                    starter button, solenoid & starter were working, then quit while turning over engine looking for spark in removed & grounded spark plugs. (may be that tipover module...)

                    Brent in GA

                    advice from auto parts guy who sold me more CRC wire connection cleaner spray "Get a bigger hammer."
                    1979 XS1100 Special (Mad Max, OEM) Current
                    1980 XS1100 Special
                    1990 V Max
                    1982 KZ750 LTD Twin
                    1986 700 FZR Yamaha Fazer (faster then expected)
                    1979 XS750 Special (my 1st Special)
                    1974 CB750-Four



                    Past/pres Car's
                    1961 Catalina 389/1970 Torino GT 351/1967GTO 12to1 comp./ Roller cam/ T-10/ 456 gear/Tri-power/1967 GTO 400, 1969 Camaro, 1968 Z28, 2001 BMW M Roadster 0 to 60 in 4.5 sec. Jaguar XK8

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                    • #11
                      Sparks!

                      Originally posted by DAVINCI View Post
                      tipover switch?
                      YES!

                      My bike would not start. So tell me what is wrong without even seeing it from 500 miles away...And the winner is

                      Tipover switch aka emergency engine stop switch as shown in the wiring diagram & wireing harness drawing in shop manual.

                      I am SO glad I asked. Love it when it starts quick & hits regularly on all 4 cylinders.

                      Thanks.

                      Yes, I did reach deep inside and grabbed the brass ring. Much easier than removing & cleaning neutral light wire connection behind shifter. I also zip tied plug to frame so I can reach up under tank and unplug it if future malfuction occurs.
                      It is a great big beautiful world out there
                      Brent in GA
                      Yamaha 80XS1100SG, HD Firefighter Special Edition 02 Road King, Honda 450 rat, 08 Buell 1125R tour modified, 83 goldwing parts bike gone-traded for XJ1100, 2014 HD electraglide police

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                      • #12
                        Heh heh.........I think someone mentioned that right off. Didn't they?
                        Greg

                        Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”

                        ― Albert Einstein

                        80 SG Ol' Okie;79 engine & carbs w/pods, 45 pilots, 140 mains, Custom Mac 4 into 2 exhaust, ACCT,XS850 final drive,110/90/19 front tire,TKat fork brace, XS750 140 MPH speedometer, Vetter IV fairing, aftermarket hard bags and trunk, LG high back seat, XJ rear shocks.

                        The list changes.

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