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    I've been trying for I don't know how long to get this oil filter bolt off and I can't get it to budge. I've tried vice grips, hammering on sockets and PB blaster on it and it won't move at all. I'm not sure if its because of the amount of force I'm using or the age of the bolt but the head just keeps stripping. Now i'm seeing if anyone else has had this problem and what they did to fix this, also if anyone would happen to know about how much it would cost to take it to the shop and get them to remove it. Here is a pic.

    1981 yamaha xs eleven standard

  • #2
    Ouch!

    (I hate to ask the stupid question: are you turning it the right way?)
    It shouldn't be that hard to get off, if it is, then I'd be worried about the threads getting galled up inside. That filter bolt is as tall as the filter and it threads up into the bottom of the engine housing.
    Getting a replacement bolt is easy, getting that one off is going to detroy it. (but i guess it is already)
    The PB Blaster probably won't work because the threads are way up there.
    If it were me and I exhausted all other avenues, I'd cut the head off the sucker with my dremel. Then, once the filter is off, I could work on getting what's left of the bolt out of the engine. At least with the filter off, you can get the PB Blaster up into those threads, maybe even add a little heat with a small torch.

    I reluctantly give you this advice because of the such destructive nature of it, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.
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    • #3
      I would try a cold chisel on the integral washer part of the bolt, trying to spin the bolt counter clockwise. If the oil cup gets dinged up a little that's probably OK, the sealing O-ring is towards the center of the bolt and not near the edge. It is often the striking of the bolt with the chisel that helps free the siezed bolt.
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      • #4
        All of those things, or possibly either a sacrificial smaller socket that you hammer on and use an air impact wrench to spin it off with, or get a set of sockets made for stripped bolt heads. I have the air tools, and I may have a sacrificial socket we can use on it as well, and if we screw up the filter cup I have a spare one of those as well, and these days I'm generally sitting at home on fridays so I'm available all day on fridays as a general rule and often at least part of most saturdays as well. We could probably spin that off in about 15 minutes, and have you back on the road shortly after. Send me a PM, I've been open to helping do this for a good while now, no charge, it's all about paying it forward.
        Cy

        1980 XS1100G (Brutus) w/81H Engine
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        • #5
          I like the chisel idea, but to add to that, you might want to try doing it while the engine is hot. The extra heat may help to expand the tight parts and help them let go. JAT.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by cywelchjr View Post
            We could probably spin that off in about 15 minutes
            Now that you have said that, Murphy will make sure it takes a couple of hours.
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            • #7
              +1

              +1 on the sacriical scoket. Tap a slightly smaller 6 point on there (smaller SAE will work great, and what else are they good for anymore anyway) then hit it with a few blast from an impact, turning up the power a little at a time and she should come right out. the heating up the motor might help also, dont see how it would hurt and the block is Alum. and expands faster / more then the steel bolt good luck, and I like the "pay it forward" "with what measure you measure out, it shall be measured unto you"

              Originally posted by cywelchjr View Post
              All of those things, or possibly either a sacrificial smaller socket that you hammer on and use an air impact wrench to spin it off with, or get a set of sockets made for stripped bolt heads. I have the air tools, and I may have a sacrificial socket we can use on it as well, and if we screw up the filter cup I have a spare one of those as well, and these days I'm generally sitting at home on fridays so I'm available all day on fridays as a general rule and often at least part of most saturdays as well. We could probably spin that off in about 15 minutes, and have you back on the road shortly after. Send me a PM, I've been open to helping do this for a good while now, no charge, it's all about paying it forward.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by bikerphil View Post
                Now that you have said that, Murphy will make sure it takes a couple of hours.
                Naw, I gots a persuader that will get it off no matter what. I have all the replacement parts up to and including a complete engine if needed . I have the requisite sacrificial socket, air impact wrench and compressor and such, and a couple of hammers to beat on it with, and another oil filter cup, bolt , spring etc. All we gotta do is get that thing off, and mine was pretty sure it didn't want to come off the first time, so I have a general idea of how to deal with them, and there is a Napa auto parts just down the road from me, so I can run down and get one of those stripped bolt removers if I have to, although I think I know someone who has a set that I think I'll see if I can borrow in advance.
                Cy

                1980 XS1100G (Brutus) w/81H Engine
                Duplicolor Mirage Paint Job (Purple/Green)
                Vetter Windjammer IV
                Vetter hard bags & Trunk
                OEM Luggage Rack
                Jardine Spaghetti 4-2 exhaust system
                Spade Fuse Box
                Turn Signal Auto Cancel Mod
                750 FD Mod
                TC Spin on Oil Filter Adapter (temp removed)
                XJ1100 Front Footpegs
                XJ1100 Shocks

                I was always taught to respect my elders, but it keeps getting harder to find one.

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                • #9
                  Thats great. We should be able to get that cover off no problem
                  1981 yamaha xs eleven standard

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                  • #10
                    Welding a nut onto the stripped bolt does two things. It gives a brand new surface to grip with the wrench and the heat is usually enough to help loosen the bolt. A tap or two on the bolt with a small hammer might help shock the bolt enough to help.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mrtinajero View Post
                      I've been trying for I don't know how long to get this oil filter bolt off and I can't get it to budge. - - -
                      Hi Michael,
                      a set of "Bolt -Out" sockets from Sears should work for that:-
                      http://www.searspartsdirect.com/part...x20101101xSHPZ
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Shacknasty View Post
                        Welding a nut onto the stripped bolt does two things. It gives a brand new surface to grip with the wrench and the heat is usually enough to help loosen the bolt. A tap or two on the bolt with a small hammer might help shock the bolt enough to help.
                        Also, welding a wrench directly to the bolt the putting a cheater on the wrench. If that doesn't do it ,siphon the oil out with a McDonald's straw

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by fredintoon View Post
                          Hi Michael,
                          a set of "Bolt -Out" sockets from Sears should work for that:-
                          http://www.searspartsdirect.com/part...x20101101xSHPZ
                          IIRC that oil filter bolt head is smaller than that set covers. If nothing else, this will give me an excuse to get a cutoff wheel for my air tool set (I forget the name of the tool it goes on, sort of an air operated dremel) and we'll cut the head off, if the cup is damaged, oh well, I've got another good one we can put on (actually I've got two if we count my spare engine cause I'm not going to use that one cause the SOFA moves to whatever engine is active). One way or another, that bolt is going to come out . If I had a welder I would do that, but I've not managed to get one of those YET.
                          Cy

                          1980 XS1100G (Brutus) w/81H Engine
                          Duplicolor Mirage Paint Job (Purple/Green)
                          Vetter Windjammer IV
                          Vetter hard bags & Trunk
                          OEM Luggage Rack
                          Jardine Spaghetti 4-2 exhaust system
                          Spade Fuse Box
                          Turn Signal Auto Cancel Mod
                          750 FD Mod
                          TC Spin on Oil Filter Adapter (temp removed)
                          XJ1100 Front Footpegs
                          XJ1100 Shocks

                          I was always taught to respect my elders, but it keeps getting harder to find one.

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                          • #14
                            Looking at the nut, the damage looks like it could have been turned the wrong way. Remember, the bolt is upside down. Be sure you are turning it counterclockwise.

                            In the future, when you have a tough nut like that, use a six point socket of the proper size. A 12 point socket or wrench can round the bolt head off.
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                            • #15
                              I used an 8" pipe wrench with a 1" x 2ft piece of steel pipe.
                              Came off without too much trouble.

                              Good Luck
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