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    I am having a problem with my 1980 Yamaha XS1100SG. It has about 28,000 miles on it and I seem to have one plug that is fouling badly and the rest are staying in pristine shape. I do seem to have a leak at my head gasket. Could this be the cause? Any advice would be nice as this is the first bike I am really fixing all by my self.
    Chase,

    1980 XS1100SG 28,000 Miles All Stock.
    1985 Honda Rebel 24,000 Miles

  • #2
    Originally posted by Phoenix View Post
    I am having a problem with my 1980 Yamaha XS1100SG. It has about 28,000 miles on it and I seem to have one plug that is fouling badly and the rest are staying in pristine shape. I do seem to have a leak at my head gasket. Could this be the cause? Any advice would be nice as this is the first bike I am really fixing all by my self.
    Could you say why you suspect you have a head gasket leak?
    XS1100F 1980 European model. Standard. Dyna coils. Iridium plugs. XS750 final drive (sometimes). Micron fork brace. Progressive front springs. Geezer regulator/rectifier. Stainless 4 into 2 exhaust. Auto CCT (Venturer 1300) SOLD. New project now on the go. 1980 European model.

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    • #3
      I have oil leaking out of the head gasket over my #4 Cylinder both on the front and on the side.
      Chase,

      1980 XS1100SG 28,000 Miles All Stock.
      1985 Honda Rebel 24,000 Miles

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      • #4
        A correction to be made I have oil leaking out of the cam cover on both the front and the side of the #4 cylinder.
        Chase,

        1980 XS1100SG 28,000 Miles All Stock.
        1985 Honda Rebel 24,000 Miles

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        • #5
          I doubt it's out of the head gasket as it has no oil under pressure going through it, so it's likely coming from the valve cover gasket. The side is probably the cam plugs, which may be able to be fixed with nothing more than some RTV when you pull the valve cover and fix that, most of us feel that no gasket is needed up there, but just some good RTV properly applied, many use "the right stuff" which is pricey, but is easy to apply and will seal even if the surface isn't totally oil free, which is not true of most RTV sealants. My personal experience has been that I have better luck with RTV than with actual gaskets in almost every case.
          Cy

          1980 XS1100G (Brutus) w/81H Engine
          Duplicolor Mirage Paint Job (Purple/Green)
          Vetter Windjammer IV
          Vetter hard bags & Trunk
          OEM Luggage Rack
          Jardine Spaghetti 4-2 exhaust system
          Spade Fuse Box
          Turn Signal Auto Cancel Mod
          750 FD Mod
          TC Spin on Oil Filter Adapter (temp removed)
          XJ1100 Front Footpegs
          XJ1100 Shocks

          I was always taught to respect my elders, but it keeps getting harder to find one.

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          • #6
            if its leaking

            you should feel pressure leaking out there when running...

            John
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            '81 XS1100H - "Enterprise"
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            • #7
              Ok the leak seems easy enough to fix but I still have a plug that is fouling. Anyone have any Ideas on what could be causing it?
              Chase,

              1980 XS1100SG 28,000 Miles All Stock.
              1985 Honda Rebel 24,000 Miles

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Phoenix View Post
                Ok the leak seems easy enough to fix but I still have a plug that is fouling. Anyone have any Ideas on what could be causing it?
                Explain what the plug looks like. Dry and black and sooty, wet and black? Are you getting spark on that plug?
                Nathan
                KD9ARL

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                1978 XS1100E
                K&N Filter
                #45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
                OEM Exhaust
                ATK Fork Brace
                LED Dash lights
                Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters

                Green Monster Coils
                SS Brake Lines
                Vision 550 Auto Tensioner

                In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

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                • #9
                  I am getting spark. Compression looks good as well. The plug is black and wet. It gets that way very quickly after less than 30 min or so. Also the bike seems to back fire both at Idle and about 3500 RPM's.
                  Last edited by Phoenix; 07-01-2011, 08:07 AM.
                  Chase,

                  1980 XS1100SG 28,000 Miles All Stock.
                  1985 Honda Rebel 24,000 Miles

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Phoenix View Post
                    I am getting spark. Compression looks good as well. The plug is black and wet. It gets that way very quickly after less than 30 min or so. Also the bike seems to back fire both at Idle and about 3500 RPM's.
                    Have you been into the carbs yet at all?
                    Nathan
                    KD9ARL

                    μολὼν λαβέ

                    1978 XS1100E
                    K&N Filter
                    #45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
                    OEM Exhaust
                    ATK Fork Brace
                    LED Dash lights
                    Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters

                    Green Monster Coils
                    SS Brake Lines
                    Vision 550 Auto Tensioner

                    In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

                    Theodore Roosevelt

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                    • #11
                      I have not had the chance to get into them outside of checking that the vacuum is synced and that looks good as well.
                      Chase,

                      1980 XS1100SG 28,000 Miles All Stock.
                      1985 Honda Rebel 24,000 Miles

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                      • #12
                        I would guess that there is something not right in the carbs.

                        Just to be sure though you could first try swapping plug wires with its coil mate (1&4 and 2&3 are paired together) and see if the problem stays or follows the wire just to eliminate the spark as the problem. If it stays with the same cylinder then it is in the carb.
                        Nathan
                        KD9ARL

                        μολὼν λαβέ

                        1978 XS1100E
                        K&N Filter
                        #45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
                        OEM Exhaust
                        ATK Fork Brace
                        LED Dash lights
                        Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters

                        Green Monster Coils
                        SS Brake Lines
                        Vision 550 Auto Tensioner

                        In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

                        Theodore Roosevelt

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                        • #13
                          Ok tryed swaping wire same problem. Any guesses as to what in the carb would be causing this problem? Do you think I should just do a complete rebuild or is there some easyer tricks I can try.
                          Chase,

                          1980 XS1100SG 28,000 Miles All Stock.
                          1985 Honda Rebel 24,000 Miles

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                          • #14
                            The emulsion tube might be clogged up if it is running rich.
                            2H7 (79)
                            3H3

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                            • #15
                              About the into things that would need to be replaced would be the o-rings around the float needle seat and the idle mixture screw. Most everything else as long as it is not broken can be reused.

                              If you pull them off, just go through and clean everything (and I mean take everything apart and clean it good) on all the carbs, not just the problem one.
                              Nathan
                              KD9ARL

                              μολὼν λαβέ

                              1978 XS1100E
                              K&N Filter
                              #45 pilot Jet, #137.5 Main Jet
                              OEM Exhaust
                              ATK Fork Brace
                              LED Dash lights
                              Ammeter, Oil Pressure, Oil Temp, and Volt Meters

                              Green Monster Coils
                              SS Brake Lines
                              Vision 550 Auto Tensioner

                              In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.

                              Theodore Roosevelt

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