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  • Tach stagger

    Riding today and noticed a slight variance in the tach. Not much but the needle was jumping about 100 K worth on the tach. The motor is running smooth and real strong. No sluggishness or stagger at any RPM. Smooth as silk from 900- 7500 rpm. I have a bit of a neck strain though. "Bell" helmet.
    Carbs just sync'd, color tuned and plugs gapped.
    Is my Tach on the way out or is the stagger in the allowable.
    mack
    79 XS 1100 SF Special
    HERMES
    original owner
    http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps6932d5df.jpg

    81 XS 1100 LH MNS
    SPICA
    http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/mack-055/2.jpg

    78 XS 11E
    IOTA
    https://youtu.be/wB5Jfbp6SUc
    https://youtu.be/RaI3WYHSuWA



    Have recovery trailer and shop if you breakdown in my area.
    Frankford, Ont, Canada
    613-398-6186

  • #2
    Some stagger seems to be normal for these bikes. I have had some (SOME) success in reducing it after cleaning all of the connections between the tach and the alternator
    Former owner, but I have NO PARTS LEFT!

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    • #3
      Tach

      Since I got this bike the tach is basically useless. Have been meaning to look into this but haven't got around to it. At cruise (75mph) it jumps around from 5 to 9 randomly
      Willy Wo
      1980 XS1100SG - Pacifico Fairing

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Manny_Action_Cycle View Post
        Since I got this bike the tach is basically useless. Have been meaning to look into this but haven't got around to it. At cruise (75mph) it jumps around from 5 to 9 randomly
        Yep, mine used to do the same. I was bored one day and took the tach apart and find corrosion on the PC board inside. Cleaned the corrosion and re-heated all the solder joints and guess what, it works like a normal tach should, go figure. YMMV
        2H7 (79) owned since '89
        3H3 owned since '06

        "If it ain't broke, modify it"

        ☮

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        • #5
          The subject of many threads, is this one. They all do it. Mine stopped doing it after I put new ignition coils on the bike.... not sure why it stopped the tachometer from jumping. Other fixes have been detailed on the forum. Tacho jumping can indicate a charging problem, since the tacho runs off the alternator/generator. Usually, it would appear not to be the cause though.
          XS1100F 1980 European model. Standard. Dyna coils. Iridium plugs. XS750 final drive (sometimes). Micron fork brace. Progressive front springs. Geezer regulator/rectifier. Stainless 4 into 2 exhaust. Auto CCT (Venturer 1300) SOLD. New project now on the go. 1980 European model.

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          • #6
            I have had tach "lag" while accelerating with on one of my bikes after acquiring it. The problem worked itself out. No problems at all now...
            Skids (Sid Hansen)

            Down to one 1978 E. Stock air box with K&N filter, 81H pipes and carbs, 8500 feet elevation.

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            • #7
              I think that the point is, that the tach jumping means that is SOMETHING not completely right. It could be anything from a minor to a major problem. It could be the bushings the needle rides on a a bit dry, in which case if you can get some silicone lube up into there it may fix it, it could be the circuit board, the ignition circuit feeding back into the charging circuit (remember the signal the tach feeds off is very small) or a charging system problem (connection, reg/rect etc). If you can find and fix the problem, it will go away. That is IF you can find it. That said, I'm lucky in that mine doesn't wobble at all, it's not a weeble, it's nice and solid, just as my speedo is pretty much right on, right on up to the stop (verified via GPS). Now this may well (probably will) change when I change my front tire, since this is what drives it, but it shows if you can get the outside diameter of your tire just right, you might get your speedometer right, if yours works right (which is why I'm not changing mine unless it breaks), cause if it ain't broke, I ain't fixing it, and frankly, going above the pin is go to jail speed pretty much anyways, and I need neither jail time nor the added insurance cost of the speeding ticket so I'll be happy with sticking to somewhat sane speeds (and be able to claim I didn't know I was going faster if I was since the needle stops at 85 in the rare event that I actually need to go that fast).
              Cy

              1980 XS1100G (Brutus) w/81H Engine
              Duplicolor Mirage Paint Job (Purple/Green)
              Vetter Windjammer IV
              Vetter hard bags & Trunk
              OEM Luggage Rack
              Jardine Spaghetti 4-2 exhaust system
              Spade Fuse Box
              Turn Signal Auto Cancel Mod
              750 FD Mod
              TC Spin on Oil Filter Adapter (temp removed)
              XJ1100 Front Footpegs
              XJ1100 Shocks

              I was always taught to respect my elders, but it keeps getting harder to find one.

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              • #8
                Tach's toast

                Good news/bad news. Charging system and electrical connections are fine. Getting off the bike today I hit the handle bars and noticed the tach jump. Leaned over and hit it a rap and the needle jumped again. Crap every bump was making the needle move. So it's toast. Not that I use it much. I tend to shift by feel and sound. Really I guess they're only value is to keep you under the red line on launch starts.
                mack
                79 XS 1100 SF Special
                HERMES
                original owner
                http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps6932d5df.jpg

                81 XS 1100 LH MNS
                SPICA
                http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/mack-055/2.jpg

                78 XS 11E
                IOTA
                https://youtu.be/wB5Jfbp6SUc
                https://youtu.be/RaI3WYHSuWA



                Have recovery trailer and shop if you breakdown in my area.
                Frankford, Ont, Canada
                613-398-6186

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                • #9
                  Make sure that the rubber isolation mounts are good, it sounds like it might be solid mounted which might be a problem. It jumping when jolted doesn't mean it's toast, it means everything is moving easily and smoothly, so it may just be that it's being bounced around more than it likes, that may well be an easy fix if you can figure out how to cushion it some (rubber under and over mounting bolts etc).
                  Cy

                  1980 XS1100G (Brutus) w/81H Engine
                  Duplicolor Mirage Paint Job (Purple/Green)
                  Vetter Windjammer IV
                  Vetter hard bags & Trunk
                  OEM Luggage Rack
                  Jardine Spaghetti 4-2 exhaust system
                  Spade Fuse Box
                  Turn Signal Auto Cancel Mod
                  750 FD Mod
                  TC Spin on Oil Filter Adapter (temp removed)
                  XJ1100 Front Footpegs
                  XJ1100 Shocks

                  I was always taught to respect my elders, but it keeps getting harder to find one.

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                  • #10
                    Tach

                    Cy,

                    What about dampening. I would think that the needle is supsed to be dampened (sp?). By way of an actuator or bellows? If the needle dampening is no good that could be causeing the jump?
                    Willy Wo
                    1980 XS1100SG - Pacifico Fairing

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                    • #11
                      Nothing but the dryness of the bushing it rides in. It's actuated electronically, by magnetic coils that move it into position, but they use very small currents and very small amounts of magnetic force to do this, so it's not held all that tight. It can jiggle a bit, it's not a big deal as it's not a precision device, as a matter of fact the service manual says to NOT use it to set idle speed as it's not accurate enough.
                      Cy

                      1980 XS1100G (Brutus) w/81H Engine
                      Duplicolor Mirage Paint Job (Purple/Green)
                      Vetter Windjammer IV
                      Vetter hard bags & Trunk
                      OEM Luggage Rack
                      Jardine Spaghetti 4-2 exhaust system
                      Spade Fuse Box
                      Turn Signal Auto Cancel Mod
                      750 FD Mod
                      TC Spin on Oil Filter Adapter (temp removed)
                      XJ1100 Front Footpegs
                      XJ1100 Shocks

                      I was always taught to respect my elders, but it keeps getting harder to find one.

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